Well that makes sense since it ceased to exist 1940.
Not at all double standards.
Prototype early as 1941.
So it actually did exist unlike fedorov.
So after all you say F2 makes more sense?
Do i get it right, that germans should be throwing bullets with bare hands then?
It’s not a dinosaur. Not used ≠ ceased to exist.
And again typical reich fanboy whines to give a prototype against mass produced weapons.
As if americans nuked Japan in 1942.
Call of Duty vanguard fans maybe.
Everyone who tends to play WW2 games cares for historical accuracy. If there are freaks who love nonsense weapons become most used ones in favour of real WW2 most used and produced weaponry, it does not mean they form some sort of majority. Speaking this way is like saying that all germans voluntarily supported nazis, since there was little to no opposition to them (except those who were already sent to prisons and camps). If nobody asks opinion of those who are supporting game to be somewhat historically accurate - does not mean there is nobody supporting this accuracy, mmokay?
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Could say thay is exactly what happens when something gets scrapped.
I still dont recall fedorov / t50 being mass produced.
My point in saying nobody really cares about historical accuracy is driven by the fact that it is a term used so nebulously as to have almost no real meaning.
If you really, truly want to use some metric of ‘historical accuracy’ to decide what weapons should be presented for a given campaign: provide measurable, well defined criteria that can be applied evenly to all weapons.
Something like: in Moscow, must have been in service with given army between the dates of 9/41-1/42; Must have production numbers of >10000 by 1/42; must have primary source evidence of use during said battle.
Then we can look at say, the AVS-36; and realize that the soviet army produces up to 65000 examples, so that’s good, but it turns out they were terrible guns and were removed from service after the winter war, falling out of use sometimes in 1941, so that’s not good. I’d put that one in the maybe pile until someone comes up with a document or picture of the rifle being used in the battle of Moscow. Also they are way too accurate and controllable in-game if we want historical accuracy.
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So what can we learn from this?
People have to stop whining every time their expectations about something is broken.
Problem is, don’t see lots of threads about how the IS-2 is kinda lackluster, how the Tiger has absolute superiority to anything western allies have, how German LMGs are laser pointing accurate, etc.
But every other week we have a thread about T-34 op, fedorov op, P-47 op, Jumo op, AS-44 op and those are the kinda recent ones.
Go back enough on this forum to the times the T-28 was the highest level vehicle in Moscow and you will see people (some still active in this forum) saying it was unkillable, just yesterday we had a character of this forum saying how unfair the PPSh is, the T-50 that can be killed by HE on his upper front plate was until very recently a major point of discussion on how Soviet bias is real and you will find even shit don’t even exist like complaints about Jumbo 76.
We have one specific kind of people on this forum who can’t accept the game’s weapons to be any weaker than the documentary they watched said they were and how superior that specific nation army was is nothing other than propaganda.
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Not less than most of german wunderwaffe were. Also there’s a difference. I don’t remember how many times i plainly said i’d like T-50 or Fedorov to be removed. You whined to add another prototype instead, to a dozen of existing ones. It’s some sort of untreatable retardation.
Sure, when enemy is several kilometres away from your capital you definitely want to scrap everything you have. Tell us more of your interesting alternative reality.
Cool story. So defending country in own territory can not use weapons it did produce itself, but invaders would use weaponry from the future they could not even theoretically have, in addition to tiny series crap their allies used in other theatres. Nothing new though.
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I gave you my rules for historically accurate weapons that should be in a campaign: timeframe, production, primary sources. A number of German weapons would fail that test as well: ZB-26 and mkb variants among them.
Do you have any rules besides hysterics and emotional appeals? Your reasoning appears very biased if you’re unable to apply the same rules to both sides.
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MAUS and E100, even P1000 Ratter: hold on there boi
I support your desire to get rid of "wrong’ weapons if its what you want, i do not like your straightforwardness demanding photos. One side has photographers in every battalion, other has a couple per army. It does not work this way even nowadays, when everyone has a camera with him.
I mean name one German Wunderwaffen in this game that isn’t a gold order, a premium or an event feature?
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It depends on what you mean by wunderwaffen, but if it means equipment with limited use due to serious mechanical or logistical issues that didn’t allowed their mass deployment we can say: Panther, MkB, King Tiger, Tiger, Jagdpanther, FG-42, just over the top of my head.
Every faction has some of those, problem is only axis players keep this boring whining about equipment the other factions get.
Look at the amount of those who were built, damn, T-44 and IS-1 are unicorns that have about the same or even more production numbers.
ISU-152 has about 4x the amount of Tigers built and is a damn unicorn too.
AVS extremely limited use and about 8 times the amount of FG-42 made.
This argument is dumb, just play the game and stop claiming that the game is unbalanced or has biases. Every faction has some weird shit added to their roster and they all rely quite a bit on those weird shit. Loom at it as some fan service of sort that everyone benefits from it equally.
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Dude, you read what TUSO wrote? I’m sorry but I think you answered this to the wrong person
I’m really just playing devil’s advocate here, and the best way to say a weapon was used at a certain time and place would be to have primary source evidence in the form of pictures or documents or archeological evidence. If we’re going for historical accuracy that’s the gold standard.
Of course it’s been 80 years and most of that evidence is long gone, so that’s why I included easier to prove items like the timeframe the weapon was in use and the number of examples manufactured. If there were probably a large number of them in active use during the battle, it’s safe to assume they were at said battle.
Otherwise we’re just using our imagination for a “what-if?” Style history, and in that case guns from the near future are as likely as guns from the past that weren’t likely to still exist. I’m just looking for some consistency in arguments
There is 7000 Panther, there is 7000 FG42s, there is 300 JagdPanther, 3500 Tiger I and 650 Tiger IIs, the difference is, all of them are standard issued gears, unlike any soviets automatic rifles, T50s, As44s, RD 44, DP beltfed,Fedorovs… you get it
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I play this game since way before the soviets had any of those, before the soviets had PPSh, when the T-28 was the highest level you could get, it didn’t changed a lot, axis players whining about the T-28 being OP, that it was impossible to kill, that it’s weapon was stronger than what the Germans had.
When the MkB was announced to the Germans the first time there was still axis players who cryed for weeks on the forum because it was still not enough to counter the PPSh.
It’s always one side who complain and whine about everything, it kinda hurts their credibility when they react the same way to the AS-44 that they did to the Fedorov, that they did to the PPSh, that they did to the PPD-40, that they did to the T-50, that they did to the Jumbo, that they did to the T-28 and we can go on about.
I said it on my last answer, every faction get equipment for the sake of the cool factor, the axis are the ones who benefits from it the most as their high level equipment is almost entirely composed of equipment built in numbers that are considered a rounding error to allied equipment.
Accept the cool factor, accept the fan service and stop this whining bs
Also, half of each one.
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I still consider vg2 one, if not the best bolt action in-game.
Sights, enough bolt action speed and ammo to reload speed.
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Oh, it definitely is, gameplay wise. Might not be as elegant, even crude looking, but it’s on par with Lee Enfield which is quite a feat.
I was lucky. It used to be the starter rifle in Berlin, so I had obtained a lot that got automatically maxed for bread crumbs prices, before they made the Volks k98 official starter rifle 
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Damn how I miss volks Kar98k sniper and g41m in berlin on alpha times…
Not to even talk about vegetal 1.5 as trooper weapon
Golden days
I wonder when vegetal 1.5 will shine again
The number game doesn’t work, the soviets has 65000 AVS36, except all of them are defective and didn’t pass the quality test and sent to the front line, which all got replaced by SVT40s, and don’t even talk about the AVT40, that one doesn’t solve the issue the AVS has
You say the germans cry about it, but it matter? Like, did the Devs ever buff the german stuffs? I Mean all the cry I heard only the Tiger II H get a pass, and that’s not for the Tiger II H, but the IS2 1944 which the soviet unironically want it
The MkB 42 is no way in hell can counter the PPSH 41, lets be real here, Fedorov exist in Moscow and I don’t think there is a gun in this game can counter the Fedorov at all, that gun is Jack of all trade and a master of all, a BR in SMG disguise, you can one shot people in close range and 2 tap in mid range maybe 3 in long and it has .22 dispersion while the StG has at least 2 times or even 3 times more dispersion than that shite
The PPSH 41, I don’t need to tell you the counter of this gun exist, except the Devs refuse to give a normal progression KP31 and its variant, MP40II, MAB 38 50rnd, hell when they gives the german MP717r still a little bit worse than PPSH 41(0.1 less damage, wlower projectile speed, lower RoF for some reason) they gonna remove it post merge, what a great news
I can give you an argument about the number game doesn’t work vs standard issued weapon, but that’s another essay
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What!? Where? I want!
As for vegetal, devs confirmed it would become protein for troopers after the conversion I think, which is great!
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