can’t make an argument so then falls back to insults
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nah… it is just pointless to have the argument with you… you will just ignore it like before…
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What is this, EVE online? 
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He is trying to make up the reason why the same exact guns that shoot the bullets are basically copies of each other should have different RPMs. We are at the point where all he can do is insult because he has no reasonable argument why this mistake shouldn’t be fixed. There is a pattern with these kinds of people on this forum, it seems lol.
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Yes, you have made no reasonable argument against it. Any attempt you have has been shot down because they have been disproven…
makes an argument
responds to the argument with a detailed response with facts and reasoning
:visibleconfusion:
Just because someone has proven your reasoning illogical doesn’t mean they are ignoring it…
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All this arguing about firerate when high RPM guns suffer dogshit hitreg because of the terrible servers
Try firing the PPSH in semi as fast as you can or with a macro
It mulches much faster than at the full firerate
its why you feel like you have to hit someone a gorillion times with things like slav SMGs, MG-34/42, or the Beretta top loaders
Whereas MP-40s, Beretta 38s, and the StG/Mkbs are god tier because every single round counts when they land
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you started first with insults when you accused me of lying when i posted this.
i said i dont care if this is fixed or not cause weapons are OP no matter what. they are not OP cause of their rof, but cause of their recoil and magazine size. this was not justification to leave the different fire rate, just and opinion that i dont care if it is fixed or not.
then you had to write this after i answered that i posted all 3 guns with their upgraded stats
so you insulted me twice when i had posted facts? that is why you are moron and cant be reasoned with in civilized manner. you cant keep insulting people and expect them to be civil with you. btw calling someone a liar is an insult.
and then you proceed to partially quote me and put my statement out of context.
you know that upgraded weapons and their rof are a fact?
and that is what i wrote.
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It isn’t an insult to accuse someone of lying when they are being disingenuous, such as when you tried to bring up the MP-717 (r) upgraded fire rate and decided not to include its normal RPM like the PPSH 41. Do you want me to quote you on that again?
And I showed you that they are not.
No sir you did not, you posted the regular RPM for the PPSH and its upgraded version and then had the gal not post the MP 717 (r)'s regular fire rate to fit your narrative.
I didn’t insult you, I asked you why you were being dishonest about the MP717 (r)'s fire rate because you made the decision to willingly add in the upgraded RPM and not the regular RPM, even though you did that for the PPSH 41. Maybe you should actually be honest and post all the facts and not just the ones you like, and you wouldn’t get outed as a liar because you would not have lied…
I quoted you to the fullest. Do you want the receipts?
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What does this have to do with making the same exact gun shoot identical cartridges but having significantly different RPMs just because they are being held by someone who is not Soviet?
If you shoot first…
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ffs for mp717 stats i used euthymia’s table cause i didnt want to load enlisted just to get exact stats and it only shows upgraded rof there. like i said i dont care about rof cause higher rof guns loose bullets due to shit netcode/servers. there is absolutely no difference in this game if i kill someone 0.05 or 0.1 seconds faster cause of rof.
no you didnt. provide me real situations where ppsh41 will have such advantage over mp717. ffs if you full send it you will spend bullets in 5 seconds or less. do you know what is the advantage? on stock for both guns, with ppsh41 you will send 2.5 bullets per second more than with mp717 that will probably be lost due to shit hitreg.
what narrative? what part of not caring about rof dont you understand. russian smgs are OP cause of its drum mag and low recoil. ffs i still use pp shpitalny over ppsh41 cause of its larger drum size making it better than ppsh41.
when you are accusing someone of lying you are insulting them. idk what narrative in your head is to think that someone needs to automatically lie when he didnt include stock rof for 1 gun. what agenda could i possibly have for lying about such stuff? ffs i dont even play stalingrad, nor am i soviet main
you deliberately didnt include upgraded rof for pps41.
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Hence why you do not understand the importance of fixing this imbalance.
Lmao there is; it happens all the time. It is why the Soviets dominated early game Berlin and dominated early game Stalingrad. You do not play your game, you really should and see the state of it. If you do not have fire superiority, you lose, simple as that.
Two identical guns shoot identical cartridges, but one is given a debuff to make it less OP and also is given the same amount of recoil even though the devs claim it shoots a weaker cartridge (which is false) while the other is left alone. Yet it shouldn’t matter because “iT iS oP aNyWaY”. I wouldn’t be making this an issue if there was a trade-out of the lower RPM for better recoil stats for the gun because of their false weaker cartridge claim, but they didn’t do that, did they? Instead, it was all just one big debuff, with no tradeouts for balance.
Not if they actually were, then it would be a fact that they were lying, in which you were regardless if you meant to or not.
So you don’t actually have to work on your game and focus on the progression merge.
Hence, you don’t understand the issue at hand.
I didn’t need to because that wasn’t the point; the point was you did not include the actual RPM for the MP-717(r).
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nope. i would give you this point if this was highly competitive game and if all hitreg managed to register properly. but this is casual game with loads of bots that are slightly better than statues and rof doesnt matter specially when there is 15% difference. what matters is recoil and drum size.
if you want to know reason for any domination it is marked in yellow:
you have mistook me for someone who gives a fuck. what part i dont care cause they are both OP dont you understand. even if one is slightly worse and it is still OP for casual game that we have now and you can easily kill 99% of the players and bots without any disadvantage cause of rof.
wtf are you talking about?
i play every faction, just not stalingrad. i understand the game quite good and am constantly on top of the leaderboard. you obviously dont understand game if you think that 15% less rof is big deal on a gun that is already high rof weapon. ffs should we cry that mp40 or berreta m38 have to face ppsh41? both mp40 and berreta m38 are excellent guns and could easily compete with box ppsh41. ppsh41 drum magazine gives big advantage over those guns.
big deal if i didnt include it. you could have made argument using upgraded values which i provided, but you didnt. you just immediately started insulting me that i was lying.
I don’t care about your stupid argument
I’m saying you’re asking for something to be worse because you don’t know any better
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It is when the lobby is full of tryhards. Surprisingly, it has been more so than not.
It won’t be so casual when the merge drops, but even then, you are wrong. Play popular campaigns…
Like the MP-18 drum…
has the recoil of the PPSH
only 50+ more RPM than the PPSH 40
So OP that it shoots 150 less RPM than the PPSH but has the same recoil… sure
runs into room with MP40
kills four guys
gets shot dead by AI because of a low RPM
It doesn’t matter that you are on top of the leaderboard, and it doesn’t make up for you not playing Stalingrad. Stalingrad is unique in that not only is it pay to win, but also that the Axis is giving every lowball possible to players to buy “full access”. This is why you don’t understand Axis players getting smashed by PPD 34 spammers and getting outshot because they have MP-18s (MP-40 if they have played it for a long time and stuck through the butt whooping). Not only that, but also the blatant team stacking the Soviets would get. But you wouldn’t know that because you don’t play it…
Every Bullet Counts. If you are shot dead by a spammer, he is coming in the house to clear you out. It is then a race to who can wipe out each other’s squad first. You wouldn’t understand this because you don’t play Stalingrad.
Should we cry if the MP 717 (r) has the same RPM as a PPSH 41?
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Yet you are here commenting on it…
has higher rpm to shoot faster
claims that is worse
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It is
Lower RPM is more reliable because the servers are dogshit and don’t pick up every hit above 800-900RPM
If you’re too stupid to understand that I’m baffled your handler lets you post unsupervised
Yes, tell that to everyone who keeps getting squad wiped by PPSH spammers in Stalingrad, etc. How much do the devs pay you btw?
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Those 2 guys are in denial son…
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I am convinced developers are among us.
