quote from the book The fatalstrike on “Fireball” was this penetration through the upper lip of the aperture for the coaxial machine gun on the left side of the gun mantlet, killing two crewmen inside the turret
Sorces Pershing vs Tiger Germany 1945 Steven J. Zaloga
You do realise that Warthunder/enlisted “overly” favours APHE…
and that in general, Other nations have More HE filler than the German rounds.
Tech Tree :Soviets have more HE filler in every category except the 80-90mm region, Pershing (137 tnt) has More than the 88 (109 tnt).
USA is missing its M61/M62 shot is the main reason alot of their post pen is crap…If they are fixed and given to them, they too would have more HE filler than the Germans.
youre real issue has nothing to do with balancing the “inflated damage of the Germans”…Just the “inflated damage of HE filler”.
Which would nerf everyone at the same time (the Soviets the Most). Now im all for making tank combat less " 1 shot detonation", But the premise you have chosen is faulty (German APHE overpowered…Germany has nothing to do with it)
Paper tanks, and Bad copy pasted models from WT what did You expected the shells are exagerated in all the ways possible and sometimes Even cursed by the germanium and stalinium legend
For example, American grenades were “pineapple-shaped,” as the American military themselves called them, because when they exploded, the metallic happiness and joy scattered in the shape of a sphere, i.e. in all directions.
from a Russian source, but there is no specificity about which projectile the author is talking about
Fragments of a 75 mm M61 shell after exploding
I have information from sources that only talk about German shells
I’m tired of the constant lies that surround nazy German tanks like Wunderwaffe
For starters Im not debating the “historical” effectiveness of shells. I am under the general impression the HE filler is blown out of proportion in Warthunder (so enlisted by proxy). I said as much
For Example, The British from their testing didnt see the need for HE filler to be effective…But that really doesnt matter with how the Developers have chosen to implement as the damage model ingame.
HE Filler Doing massive after pen damage is a Mechanic Decision from Warthunder. It is “Not unique to German HE filler”, Since They all Have access to it,
Therefore, If German HE filler is overperforming, “Everyones” HE filler is overperforming.
to be objective, Forget Germany, Forget Russia, Forget USA. Just look at the numbers as a game mechanic
Now Im not commenting on “historical” evidence, Only whats “in the games”
These are the Current Tech Tree APHE shells used in game For Germany, Soviets, and USA (I havent Done UK, Italy or Japan).
I have left the Countries Names off so you can be “objective” when you tell me which one has the most HE filler accross the board (AKA After Pen Nuke shells). Then Ill tell you who it is… (One of these Sets of numbers is IF USA has its proper Shells from Warthunder…I really hope this is implemented)
Russian side of the community had a melt down over it and didnt even allow testing of it, their main defence being they need the easy cupola shots or something.
While I feel you there I think you misunderstood, hes just saying APHE type shells in general are massively overperforming, not just german ones
Yes, but (like in WT) crews have HP bars and stay inside the tank fighting until the very last man ignoring any kind of wound. Also, they can repair any kind damage under enemy fire in less than a minute.
It is just game design (probably a bad one but i am not Gaijin/DF), nothing to do with real life and realism. In practice it didn’t matter how much damage your shell did, because you don’t need to kill all crew members to get a “kill”, you only need to give the crew a reason to abandon their tank (damage their mobility, their ability to fight back, noticing that one of their friends miss half their body, etc). I remember reading a long time ago that in the Soviet and German reports that a high percentage of crew fatalities were outside the tank while trying to retreat.
fault of horrible ammo belts ingame, in WT with 50 cals you can reliably damage and even kill most Panzer III and IV.
