Body armour didn’t provide adequate protection against fire arms.
Just like helmets, body armour’s main function is stopping shrapnel.
Damage reduction against fire arms is historically inaccurate.
That wouldn’t be a bad idea; I even found that the Japanese had their own body armor, which they primarily used in China, so why not.
As long as body armour isn’t a cosmetic with hidden mechanism like the damage reduction, Im 100% okay with it.
Body armour taking up the back pack slot would be a good compromise and fairly realistic.
Everyone saying body armor doesn’t have a significant effect are completely wrong. When paired with vitality it changes the required number of hits to down on several weapons.
Nobody would end up using it then. Since all 3 backpacks are superior to 10% reduction that’s not even full body.
Good. It should have been relegated to event and premium squads in the first place.
A bit of a vague statement without a clear definition of adequate.
Seemed to stop MP bullets at 100m and deflect rifle caliber rounds at longer ranges, plus deflect mp rounds at shorter ranges depending on angle. Better than nothing.
But anyway, you guys are demanding nerfs for some really meaningless stuff here.
Axis suffers.
So balance problematic stuff should be relageted only to exclusive or paid stuff according to you xDD
That’s just hilarious.
I fail to see how body armor on premium squads like federov MG and event ones is less problematic than current situation in which everyone can for free buy them, once they grinded enough events with customization orders. XD
I really do not understand your logic.
But tbh I really don’t give a crap, Soviets are my least played faction anyway.
*supporting your post
I was never bothered about it Because I never really noticed any difference in killing time. (as in id still kill them without breaking stride)
But if you reeeeeeally look into it, 10% although not much, Is enough to change the bullets to kill threshold from 1 to 2 at “all ranges” on something like an FG-42 (combined with Vitality)
I found that a really odd mechanic as body armor would be somewhat effective against smaller rounds like smgs…but its actually only really noticeable against certain full powered rifle rounds… (or long range SMG fire)
2 shots point blank fg-42…a bit dumb , I still dont notice it even though I know that.
Helmets can deflect, but those are extremely rare. As for a sheet of metal deflecting pistol caliber rounds effectively is 100% fake.
Modern ballistic vests still struggle to provide protection against 9mm parabellum.
Someone posted here a Soviet report on the body armor ( I dont remember where it is).
That they found it somewhat useful against pistol calibre rounds and shrapnel.
But in a particualr battle when the enemy was mostly full calibre rifle rounds and machine guns, The troopers lost all faith in it and stopped wearing it.
it was mainly a psychological advantage that Full powered Rifle rounds extinguished
WW 1 body armor same principle…massacred.
Buuuut anyway.
Id say either
- make it an item, not a cosmetic
- add a downside (I dunno…less movement speed)
- Only available to assualter units (assaulter squad gimmick)
Yes, but… I still think it sets a bad precedent
Comparative tests were carried out at the GAU KA (Red Army Main Artillery department) Leningrad range on September 1, 1943. Two PZ-ZIF-20 (made in Leningrad) were tested , produced in August, 2.6 mm thick and weighing 5 kg, and two CH-42 2.0-2.2 mm thick and 3.4 kg. The shelling was conducted from the PPD with a standard cartridge with a lead core from a distance of 20, 30 and 40 meters. The bibs were put on a cover filled with felt and fastened with straps.
The results of comparative tests showed that SN-42 provides protection from a distance of 40 meters and above, PZ-ZIF-20 provides protection from a distance of 10 meters. When firing a 7.62-mm bullet from a Mosin rifle from a distance of 300 meters, both bibs were pierced by a light bullet.
Ok, guess you are the expert? Nothing about distance, bullet material, etc makes a difference?
Modern ballistic vests still struggle to provide protection against 9mm parabellum.
Also against modern 9mm parabellum rounds right? Just looking at the wikipedia article listed round performance, the best one has around 200% the velocity and 150% the muzzle energy of the worst performing one.
Sounds a bit unlikely since apparently the soviets were fully aware from their own testing that rifle bullets would go straight through.
But maybe you are right.
Im sure they wouldnt tell that to the soldiers wearing it
In their best interest to let the soldiers think they are protected. (Psychological)
Would explain why the soldiers lost faith in it after seeing their comrades getting plastered.
But im just speculating.
I obviously wasn’t retarded enough to test failed body armours on myself.
The main problem with body armour that it doesn’t solve the kinetic energy unlike modern ballistic vests.
It takes 375 joules to break a bone and a 9mm parabellum is somewhere between 400 and 500.
Since the effective range of SMGs are only a few hundred meters, the armour could not effectively protect its wearer from them, on the otherhand, it slows him down significantly which is a far worse trade of since most of his body is completely exposed to all threats not just bullets.
There is good reason why even modern army men prefer to be as light as possible in most combat scenarios. Urban combat is a big exception though.
I think its the principle that matters. Soviets shouldn’t be the only faction to get 10% damage reduction cosmetics.
Its a small advantage but its still an advantage no other nation can have.
Either remove the 10% or make an equivalent body armour for all factions.
P.S i see a lot of people saying oh soviets are losing hard at the moment but that is simply because of lack of players and has nothing to do with the above topic.
Soviets have some of the best guns and tanks in the game they dont need an advantage anyway.
Body armour can’t solve player base unbalance.
Why? If the soviets are the only ones who were using them on large scale, shouldn’t they be exactly the only ones to have them?
Or should we give the soviets a captured king tiger too since it’s unfair that only germans gave them?
Where does your principle end?
Knock it off with that type of stuff the Soviets have plenty of things and some things they shouldn’t have and a zombie weapon so they have plenty of stuff
The energy decreases with distance, right? 7.63 tokarev has between 390-650 J energy at 50% of PPD-40 barrel length. If that’s stopped at 40m, it’s not unreasonable to assume that 9mm parabellum would not as well be even if that’d be more powerful round. Maybe 60m, maybe 100m. But point remains.
Doesn’t mean that getting shot with it wouldn’t be a significant emotional event even when stopped.