So after loads of feedback from my previous posts I bought the Colt monitor, but in the future I plan on getting a premium armored unit, I don’t like the look of the Firefly and I don’t like the look of the Jumbo so I don’t plan on getting them, ik both the Churchill and Calliope are explosive magnets but I’m wondering which one is the lesser of two evils, sorry if I’m spamming the forum a lot I just like the discussion.
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caliope has rockets and churchill has not 
otherwise both can explode well, everything in normandy explodes well, but churchil is truly a rarity , id buy it just for the different tank gameplay , caliope is just another sherman but with rockets and i dont know how long can that rocket setup endure and be functional, what it can withstand
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From my personal experience and opinion against both Churchill tanks and Calliopes, I can easily say Churchills are weaker. It’s 57 mm cannon has a iffy time pinning tanks higher than a Puma and the side is very easy to pin and hit the fuel tanks and sometimes ammo for 75 mm cannons. The Calliope has a better cannon plus rockets that can either clear a structure or a tank but like the Churchill it’s not too great in a tank versus tank scenario especially with it’s lighter side turret armor and armor in general so basically more towards a glass cannon. All in all would probably just be down to fun factor, Churchill looks cool and unique with decent armor if you angle correctly while the calliope is basically artillery with a decent cannon.
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rocket installation on caliope looks fragile and im sure that majority of time the caliope user has that rocket installation damaged and cant fire it
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True, would require a very cautious driver and a lot of repair kits if they would even be able to repair that piece of it while being targeted. That and personally not a fan looking at the thickness of the armor on it overall.
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Calliope is funny, especially in custom matches.
Churchill is only for Commonwealth armament lovers…
But by then it’s a question of preference. Pick what you like the most.
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What you mean? If you mean what of the two is less OP i can simply answers both are bad,
- churchill is a slow fat ass with a bad gun his only quality is the good armor (wo dont help you aganaist plane or panzerfaust)
- calliope is a sherman with rocket is good if you take your time for learn how fire the rocket but has the same sherman armor even the puma can OHK you
You can pick what you lick more those (as every premium squad) are collectible wo give something unique to the player and monetary support to the game
Do you know if the British tankers in the Churchill have unique British voice lines or are they American?
You got it right on the money. I meant which one are the worse of the two but from what I’ve heard it sounds like the Churchill has a higher survivability than the Calliope due to the rocket pods.
Is true but depends if the player you figth know this weaknesses, anyway even if you dont like it, for a better tank gameplay you should buy the firefly the armor is bad but the cannon can kill easily all german tank
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yes they have british voices from tunisia, but now that tank for current price is rip off, wait for sale at least 50%, id be so patient about it that maybe id wait for 70% and then giv loader all loader perks and driver all driver perks cause that thing moves fast like tectonic plate
once sale hits also consider matilda tank in tunisia
My brother in christ, if the rocket rack gets hit you blow up end of story. Rocket vehicles are a gimmick no more. The firefly is the better vehicle even if the camo looks ugly.
get the calliope
disregard the churchill.
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Buy Calliope, at least it’s fun to play, and the rocket launcher clears up a lot of enemy infantry. The Churchill has better hull protection (a little, still easily killed by experienced German players from the front easily), much worse firepower, anemic mobility and a huge hull that gets stuck easily. I saw Calliope a lot in Normandy, but only saw Churchill less than 5 times.
But the bank card is in your hand, buy whatever you want, and considering you asked other players about buying the Churchill both times you asked the question, I’m guessing you really like that tank, just like I chose the IS2 over the T34-85 in the Soviet Army in Berlin, just have fun.
Neither.
Maybe you should not give an opinion on a tank you have never even test run before. You clearly have not if you think it can only pen Pumas.
Here is some info for anyone who is looking for it.
The Churchill’s cannon can pen anything in the Normandy campaign other than the frontal armor of the panther, panzverIV/70, and tiger when shooting at range. Which is something most allied tanks in Normandy struggle with anyways.
At those distances, they can have trouble penning you as well if you angle your armor properly or keep a low profile with your shorter hull. They will have no trouble destroying your gun however, so make sure you keep your turret moving while you back off.
Most times, deploying smoke (which you have lots of) or ducking away for a few moments allows you to reengage with a shot to the side of their turrets as they glance around for more targets or to maintain situational awareness. Something the Churchill’s cannon can easily do at range.
The Churchill also has the benefit of one of the fastest turning turrets in the game and a fast firing cannon with respectable HE rounds. This allows it to protect itself from enemy infantry more effectively than most would think. Despite its slower speed.
Honestly, being a faster tank does not seem to stop infantry from explosive packing you anyways, so what does it matter? All tanks benefit from sticking close to allied infantry for mutual protection, so just do that and you shouldn’t die to infantry until your allies die first.
When playing the Churchill, I recommend being somewhere between the point and the closest ally spawn. Preferably with the point in sight so you can bombard it. Don’t take this thing flanking and don’t try to hunt down enemy tanks. Just be aware of where they are at so you can engage them when they come looking for you.
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My man, post is 17 days old over premium vehicles and which would be more fun overall between two tanks that are both on the lower line of premium Allies tanks but I digress.
I’ve had experience against the Churchill and have messed with it in the practice zone before.
I clearly put that it has a harder time penning above the puma’s very light armor, not that it can’t pin anything above the Puma’s level of armor.
I’ve seen Sherman’s with the 76MM (if I’m not mistaken that’s the type of cannon they have later in the campaign) be able to pen panthers and tigers although even lower calibers, and PanzerIV/70’s are very rare to see due to how ineffective they are.
I’ve never really had issues with penning a Churchill even when angled at most distances especially since enlisted has very tight maps for tank gameplay. Same with Calliopes due to their rocket rack being very fragile.
You need communication with your team if you’re wanting infantry cover. Only way to achieve infantry cover effectively without communication with randoms is either grey zone camp or be on the point of which the later is a death sentence majority of the time for tanks.
That’s also a good tactic majority of the time.
Good discussion so far. I apologize that I started with a sour note. That was not necessary. It was also presumptuous of me to assume your opinion was not based off anything.
I mainly wanted to give people info about the Churchill as there does not seem to be much out there when it comes to enlisted.
I still disagree with your statement that it has a harder time penning above a puma’s armor. As I stated, it easily pens (green reticle) anything but the frontal armor of the axis’ toughest tanks in Normandy. It is a completely serviceable gun.
When you say you never had issues penning a Churchill. With what tanks are you referring to?
I know this topic is also about the Calliope, but I have not messed with it enough to have any informed opinion on it. I have no idea how fragile its rocket rack is. It looks fun though.
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All is well my friend, forums can be a sour place, and I apologize on my behalf if I seemed defensive. It also does seem to be a good discussion over the Churchill given it’s rarity on the battlefield due to
the jumbo or firefly being top Allies picks
I may of mistaken pen for kill per shot, meaning that when it does hit another tank it puts it out of action, so from ny experience it can pen but isn’t as lethal due to it’s smaller caliber round unless you obviously ammo rack the enemy tank or hit the fuel tanks.
The tanks I was referring to was the Panzer IV series with the 75mm kw/k cannon, the tank you can get right after puma ( not immediately obviously) so it’s bound to be common enough to run into majority of the time. I’ve never used a puma against a Churchill personally due to me already having the Pz IV when it was released. I will say though it can be a tough pen if you aim solely at it’s front armor but sides can be a guaranteed kill shot.
Understandable with the calliope, I’ve seen almost a equal amount of both but I’ve rarely seen either due to them being lower tier premium vehicles.
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True! That is something worth mentioning. You really need to hit the right spots with the Churchill. Its fast firing rate allows you to follow up with more shots, but that still gives the enemy tank a chance to react.
On that same note, its worth mentioning that the Churchill’s large size makes it difficult to kill its crew all in one go. Although having your crew survive while an enemy tank is looking at you is a small consolation.
From my experience, I have bounced shots from the German’s 75 mm regularly. So much so that if I know one is around I sometimes allow it the first shot in order to give a returning shot.
I do not know the 75 mm’s exact penetration in Enlisted, but I do know it is unable to pen the front hull armor of a Jumbo. Which has 114mm thickness. I am unsure how sloped that armor is or what its effective thickness is.
By turning the Churchill merely 27 degrees, your turret gains the effective thickness of 100mm. This seems to be enough to protect you from 75mm, but I might have confirmation bias. This was at least true in War Thunder, if that means anything anymore.
To anyone following this conversation while debating purchasing the Churchill. My recommendation is to buy it if you are a fan of the Churchill series and do not mind its exorbitant pricing. Know that it is a serviceable and fun tank over all, but it is not the best money can buy. Even free tanks will out perform it, which is a good thing. You will see people underestimate it, but it can get the job done, even at the highest levels of play.
Oh, and expect to die if any enemy plane is in the air. Its just going to happen.
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