[Bug] FG 42 ammo capacity

[Nactall]

I dont see this

@9411513

I’ll repost;
(pre-nerf) FG42 at 100 kill capacity
M2 at 45 kill capacity
(post-nerf) FG42 at 40 kill capacity
M1 Carbine at 37 kill capacity
Garand at 32 kill capacity
Gewehr at 30 kill capacity
Lee-Enfield at 30 kill capacity
All other bolt actions sitting around a 25 kill capacity with stock ammo?

as remotely true. You only counted bullets and dmg. A gun is much more.

Even if I would take your list 60 kill capacity is completely fine with me for the FG42. Best gun in the war.

[Nactall]

Aye and the M2 is a shit gun that you can only hipfire on full auto to get some effectiveness out of it. I think 30/60 is perfect.

[Evaris]

A gun is much more, yes, an the FG42 handles better than the Gewehr (and, effectively every other rifle troopers can carry) in every stat while also having more ammo than it as is.

As for the list, that is in hard kill potential, i.e. maximum possible kills from stock carried ammo. In reality, there’s a lot more factors in play, but as is, the FG42 is overpowered enough without needing to also carry double the ammo of basically every other one-hit-kill-potential rifle in the game.

[Nactall]

I mean look at the M2, highest kill capacity of all guns in the game. There is clearly something wrong with your list because the M2 is not the strongest gun.

[Evaris]

No, it’s not the strongest gun, but it is the highest in hard kill potential, e.g. (Gun damage per round / base health) [ Do not exceed 1 kill per shot] x (rounds in a magazone) x (how many magazines you carry.)

And the FG42 is the second highest on that list now, instead of the absolute highest by leaps and bounds.

[Nactall]

@9411513

No, it’s not the strongest gun, but it is the highest in hard kill potential, e.g (base health / Gun damage per round) x (rounds in a magazone) x (how many magazines you carry.)

Thats why I am saying your list is flawed. There are way more factors to take into account. Just saying bullet does X dmg x number of bullets = kills >> weapon to strong.

It does not work like that.

[Nactall]

Shut up dude get out of this forum you are only a toxic influence and have nothing to add to anything.

[Evaris]

Except that is what matters most when you’re balancing ammo counts.

If we were balancing in terms of weapon performance, the FG 42 shouldn’t get any additional magazines at all, compared to semi-autos, and especially bolt actions, considering how much better it performs than those weapons.

But since overall performance isn’t the criteria for ammo counts, it’s then likely best to equate it through maximum killing potential rather than probable killing potential.

[Nactall]

But they balance the game to probably killing potential. How effective they are in the game.

With 2 mags the fgs full auto function falls off dramaticly and it becomes more semi auto.

[Evaris]

Which is good, considering in semi-auto the FG42 out-performs both the Garand and Gewehr as-is, and in Full Auto the FG42 out-performs the M2 carbine.

So if anything, two mags is too much for the FG42 still.

[Fenrikr]

Panzerfaust would remedy that.

[Fenrikr]

I’d rather see it limited to assaulters/gunners.

[Josephs_Piano]

@49801926

With 2 mags the fgs full auto function falls off dramaticly and it becomes more semi auto.

Same with the Soviet Moscow selective fire rifle - except it only gets 30 rounds in 2 mags.

Cry me a river.

[Nactall]

I am not crying at all, let alone a river. Why be like that?

[Knyaz_Iaroslav]

@Keofox

— Based on what, do you choose weapons and equipment for campaigns? For example, the M4A3E2 “Jumbo” was not used in the Normandy landings, but it is present for the U.S. side in the campaign.

The first weapons and equipment that appear in the campaign are those that were historically used in the battle on which the campaign is focused. They have absolute priority. However, there are situations when one of the sides clearly lacks some tool for good balance. Therefore, we use the following principle of adding content: if equipment and weapons existed during the battles reflected in the game’s campaign, they have a chance to appear in the campaign itself. To put it simply, the same Jumbo was created during Operation Overlord, which is the theme of the “Invasion of Normandy” campaign.

Jumbo will here

[Ratardo]

It has same ‘class limitations’ as other semi auto rifles(none, everyone can use it) so it need same downsides as well(low ammo count)

If people want it have same ammo limit and functionality as lmg, it will need lmg limitations(gunner only)

[ReachForTheSky]

This thread has seen a deep and lengthy period of discussion, but the topic has varied and personal attacks and insults have crept in.

The FG 42 situation is being evaluated, and the impact of gameplay changes are closely monitored.

Most productive discussion has been made, so this thread is approaching the end of its life. Members are free to reframe the topic in another thread. Members are free to discuss the game, and can do so, but remember to keep it on-topic and not to target other members personally: engage with the argument, not the individual.