20 mm cannon? 0 Splash, tickles tanks
12.7 mm, Browning Machine Gun, Good air fighter.
M8 Rocket = Frag grenade range
You do next to nothing to help the ground when you’re in one. But so many things dont make sense even if we go accuracy
M8 rockets go slower and harder effected by drop, while in real life they where faster than the wfr.gr.21 rockets and a direct hit was close to being hit to an 105mm cannon. Yet 20mm tank, it just bounces right off and does nothing leaving you to your 20mm cannon… that the 37/30mm cannons are way better.
All it is the better fighter with the better full turn 17.59 vs 18.90… But the big issue here is for the Americans they unlock a fighter that both turns faster AND has a better ground pay load AND better turn speed.
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if you are talking about p51c then that’s an objectively worse plane for ground targets, and only gets a better turn time as the only pro
The 20mm cannon has some splash. The P38s also pen Pumas with their guns. The drop on the P38s rockets is less than the BF 110s. The rockets also pen tanks. But their splash radius is pretty bad and could use a slight buff.
Compared to the german tank that can shoot a rocket in the general country I’m in and down me? (Have the 50% chance to instead live.) and wounding the guy direcly behind me?. The 20 MM has zero splash, and most the time I get direct hits I just see BOUNCE BOUNCE BOUNCE BOUNCE BOUNCE YOU HIT A TIRE TO ORANGE! I’ve managed to get 8 vs 25 people in the german plane. I kill people easily with the german cannons strafe runs, i can’t do that with the 20 mm.
Picture of me getting wounded (possibly dead if I didn’t have the 50% chance to ignore death + the guy right behind me wounded, with the rocket hitting a cross the road. The 100 pound bombs do way better if you land them on the target than the rockets.
There is a really big reason why American planes spawn to kill the german planes, than crash themselves. A really good player in planes have 0 chance in america to rack up a good score, where as germany is launch something on a point aaaaand 20-30 kills.
Oh also forgot to say this regular glitch (9/10 times I dont get to see what im shooting at in this plane.)
Really easy to play plane as GE, at low tiers as no one wants to use the American plane. If I run into America planes, they’re generally their to kill me and than suicide. Or a new player who will try to play it like the german plane of using cannon/rockets to hit melee, prob kill half a squad and that’s it.
again if you are referring to the p51c as the “better” fighter, then you are sorely mistaken
I’ve killed many more with bombs, even if it’s bad compared to the 250 bombs which again will just annihilate ground forces. America’s air is just shooting nerf darts at anything that isn’t air, it also has the better speed/turn speed. So it’s infinitely better dog fighter compared to the PJ-38, which is hte P51cs point.
the bombs have always a been a hit or miss since you really need to get really precise with them and then there is a chance for the bomb to bounce off the ground. also the only reason why the p51c is a better dogfighter is because of the broken models combined with the better turn time since the p51c has less ammo than the p38s
As I said, the P38s rockets need a slight buff and as I’ve said in other posts the BF110 needs a nerf to its rockets. And of course the BF110 deals more damage strafing, its entire loadout is complete overkill for what its doing. From some research, heres the TNT equivalent of the planes:
BF110:
37 mm cannon: 108 g TNT
30 mm cannon: 140 g TNT
Rockets: 10.17 kg TNT
P38:
20 mm cannon: 4 g TNT
12.7 mm mgs: 0
Rockets: 2.3 kg TNT
A big issue is they put an end tier Tier 3 plane vs a tier 2 plane in war thunder.
The BF 109 F2 vs the P-38 , would have way more comparable armaments other than their rockets.
The P-38G-1 is armed with:
- 1 x 20 mm AN/M2 cannon, nose-mounted (150 rpg)
- 4 x 12.7 mm M2 Browning machine guns, nose-mounted (500 rpg = 2,000 total)
The Bf 109 F-1 is armed with:
- 1 x 20 mm MG FF/M cannon, nose-mounted (60 rpg)
- 2 x 7.92 mm MG 17 machine guns, nose-mounted (500 rpg = 1,000 total)
Same tier, next to the same armaments (one has more and better rockets, one has more machine gun fire.)
I think the P-38G-1 Is fine where it’s at honestly. I think the P-38 J should just be removed, that feels like a slap in the face to get to level 24 for. Give me a P-47 with HVARs when I get up that high please!
Yeah the P-38G-1 is fine if it was the BF 109 F-1, which would have the same armaments, not versus 30-37mm cannons which can actually strafing run infanty (20mm needs near direct hits (to the point you where a mm off, and wouldn’t kill.) All I constantly see with the P38 is white markers, where the BF110 is ez mode if you have a long match and no one goes in the air to shoot you down gets in a P38. You should prob go +100 kills.
The real problem there is the BF 110 is undertiered. You shouldn’t get such a destructive menace at such a low level. None of the other planes at first unlock in any of the other 3 campaigns have anywhere near the damage potential it does.
There is literally a solution with the
Bf 109 F-1 is armed with:
1 x 20 mm MG FF/M cannon, nose-mounted (60 rpg)
2 x 7.92 mm MG 17 machine guns, nose-mounted (500 rpg = 1,000 total)
8 missiles
that is more on par with the P-38G-1
I think they were going for more of a heavy fighter vibe there than a BF 109 of any sort if there’s a P38 for a starter.
I think this is a better solution. It can come with the 12X RZ 65 rockets that are TNT equivalent of 156G each vs 6 M8 rockets at 1.95 KG each.
156 g is pretty much the same as the 30 mm on the current bf 110, it’d be better to just remove its rockets at that point
The M8 rockets are like 14 times as potent explosive wise.
Than you get the issue of it’s not the same kind of plane. Where the BF109 gets more powerful rockets for less MG/cannons. People will see that the 20mm cannons and mg on planes is next to worthless they can get a buff. Making it way harder to balance.
Honestly the issue with machine guns on planes is this they’re laser accurate. You will fire on the same spot, adding a bit of inaccuracy would make them spray and cover more ground. Making MG strafing runs useful.
20mm cannons again, they’re next to pointless since from what I’ve seen it hits for next to nothing (I can fire just cannons and see white markers all the time, just pouring it down range to get next to nothing. To see I was dropping it on a squad almost directly when I crash land because there is no more air and the P-38J is only good for killing air.
The making it way harder to balance is getting an absolutely different type of air plane*
