British Normandy Faction

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At the moment Britain is attached to America under the Allied faction. However it is clearly apparent that America is literally 99% of the faction, and Britain is treated as a small insignificant organ in the Allied body.

Now there is a similar debate for Italy and other minor Axis factions being attached to Germany, but I think that is a completely different situation. I would say the Axis side does make a bit more sense because Germany used the other Axis as basically satellites attached to their operations.

But Britain wasn’t just some satellite attached to America. Yes both countries worked together and put so much effort supporting each other but they were distinct and independent

I believe the reason why they made Britain attached to America was just for simplicity, America is the WW2 star, most people don’t care about Britain, and US and UK were working together overall thus it was better just to stick them together.

Now the reason why I specifically say a British “Normandy” faction as a start is because Tunisia is a bit more stickier as we have two double factions US+UK and Germany+Italy. And we still debate if Italy should be an independent faction. Either way I think Normandy is much more clear cut. Plus at the moment we don’t have any more Western Front campaigns so Normandy is an easier, simpler start. Just UK vs Germany

America quite literally steals the show from the Britain and leaves them in the shadows A few maps in game are from the British sectors of the invasion of France. It’s literally America kicking down the door and shoving itself into every single battle. As we get more future maps I can imagine Americans storming the British beach sectors and even fighting for Caen, Britain’s finest hour at Normandy. It practically reinforces the notion that America single handedly won WW2 all by themselves

It is honestly hilarious how I have had matches as Germany and I’m fighting Americans wielding Stens, Brens, Lee-enfields, and PIATs

All British content from Normandy would be ported over to the independent British faction, for example the Vickers K Paratrooper squad. And each faction would only fight on their specific maps. America only fights on maps where they did, and Britain only fights on maps where they did. For example, I believe Ver-sur-Mer was a British battle

I’m sure eventually this could pave the way for a completely independent British faction, but I’d say for now Normandy would be a good start. Maybe we’ll have Britain fighting Japan independently. But I would say Britain on the Western Front takes much more priority than the Pacific so that can be a tangent for the future. I’m sure most people are looking more forward to all of America’s various battles in the Pacific, myself included.

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Britain shouldn’t be an independent faction.
That would just further divide the player base and increase the grind. Let players choose the nationality of their squads and add something unique to all subfactions (like only Germans can use Volkstrum weapons).

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We will have Moroccans running on the beaches of Guadalcanal while screaming in French. At least British were involved with fights against Japan by the end of war so it’s not that strange for them to appear.

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I disagree and think that’s convoluted

Don’t people just care about playing a WW2 sandbox anymore

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That way smaller nations like Poland, Canada, Czechoslovakia or Australia could work under Allies faction pretty interesting. If they add every nation as separate entity it will make grind as bad as the pre-merge or even worse. I still think France should be separated as own nation.

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I kind of don’t think we need a faction for every minor nation. However Premium and Event squads are certainly on the table

For example, Polish paratroopers that served with Britain, French commandos, etc

And Canada would be lumped into the British faction

My point is Britain especially shouldn’t be treated as some minor organ.

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That is the point.

Almost no one would play a Polish faction, because you would need to grind everything again, buy squad slots, gold order stuffs…
4 factions with subfactions is perfectly reasonable.

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It is not attached to America. It is called Western Allies………

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That’s still basically attached to America. And let’s not pretend that America isn’t practically the head, face, and body of the “Western Allies”

The devs literally said that Britain wouldn’t be separated. Point is it’s America in everything but name

Like how Americans are the one storming Ver-sur-Mer. And I can imagine eventually fighting Germany in the Battle of Arnhem during Operation Market Garden. And I can imagine Caen, where America will be blocking the German advance to protect America’s beach landings

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I am waiting for italians with safari hats fighting in stalingrad factory on snow
My popcorn is ready :rofl:
Reminds me the last battles scene from jojo rabbit

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This is kind of why I think the merge and BR aren’t going to be easy and run smooth and be the savior of the game and is going to be very messy

Hopefully everything stays malleable because it’s not going to be so cut and dry

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So the second great power before the war which organised whole resistance in invaded countries, fought against germans for 2.5 year alone and have every kind of gear for 5 br shouldnt be seperated but france should ?
Also which france we are talking about ?

Local indochina forces who collaborates with japan
Or
Vichy regime at metropolitan france
Or
Free french forces who relied on british weapons anyway
?

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Personally I think France is better off being Premium and Event squads anyway. It was quite literally attached to America and Britain during their operations just like my point about the minor Axis

At least Britain and America were independent

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If if makes you feel any better, Britain overwhelmingly dominates Tunisia in terms of soldiers and squad count

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britain should be its own faction but it should also have the canada, polish factions included as extras like how the italians are currently in tunisa
britain did alot of the heavy lifting in ww2, the british took more loses on the 1st day of dday and they blocked the main counter attack just so the americans can find their footing on dday but this is over looked for a glory of Americans (but this can also be seen as a misdemeanor as britain was a colonial empire and landed on 2 breaches and landed extras on a 3rd )

adding france would only really be viable in 1939-40
as adding the free french would just mainly be a America 2.0
and vichy france will jsut inspire people to whinge
adding a 1940 french front would be best but it might require some effort on the devs due to the lack of available weapons but this could be fixed by the inclusion of the many crewed MGs and AT weapons that were used at this time

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I personally don’t think they will do any early war Western front campaign. They could be interesting but it seems like they just want to focus on when the war really heated up. Probably because the early Western Front was so short. In fact I’d say we’re more likely to get the early Eastern Front Barbarossa than West

In the latter half of the war the Free French were quite literally entirely equipped and supplied by the Americans, practically you’d just have “American” uniforms and weapons except they’re speaking French

I see some French units being Premium or Event squads like the French Commandos, which makes more sense than just American uniforms that happen to be speaking French

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I mean, The UK + their allies, US + their allies were… over all called the “allies”

Just like Germany, Italy and japan were called the axis.

If they renamed the germans and US to that, I could see it but the fact their called the axis and allies makes more sense, And I would prefer they stay this way, As it would mean british and Italian weapons would be removed form the germans and US, Which would over all be a disappointing thing.

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Why would it be disappointing.

Barring particular exceptions such as the Volkssturm using all sorts of captured weapons and so on and so fourth, each major faction primarily used their own stuff

As I’ve said I find it funny how occasionally fight Americans wielding Stens, Brens, Lee-E fields, and PIATs

Honestly the reason why I think people don’t want a Britain faction is because of some mess of the merge and BR, like they think Britain doesn’t have good gear as if that should even be a discussion. Then what’s the point of playing a WW2 game, we might as well just call it “America did literally everything and single handedly won the war” the game

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I love how your basically ignoring the fact that

1: There’s british units in norm, landing at Gold and Sword beaches Every movie, game, or such only use Omaha over and over and over. It feels fun to have british weapons at least.

2: British soldiers post merge will be fighting among side the USA, Almost every single battle with the USA had the British fighting along side them.

3: " It (USA) welcomed assistance in its efforts to defeat Japan. But it also wanted to control the post-war outcome in the Pacific and it was therefore reluctant to allow its allies to play a major part. Britain was excluded because its forces, based in India, could not operate easily in the Pacific."

4: If we got an italian only tree it would be a ghost town, Name a SINGLE battle where the Italians fighting the british, USA, Won WITHOUT German help.

5: The UK and the USA fought often in the same battles along each other, If we get very early on missions, Such as: Battle of Agordat (1941), Battle of Alam el Halfa, Battle of Amba Alagi (1941), Ă…ndalsnes landings

6: Germany fought along side italy the WHOLE war basically, So where there are just italian troops would be weird, Plus germany would bring it’s own weapons and such, Idk about you but the M38 40 rounder, MP-40, G41, Anti tank Lunchers, Vs, Lee enfields, Sten MK2s, maybe some MK3s, PIAT… Would you really want that?

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Ignoring what?

Premium squads

Yes Americans landing at a British beach landing

Yes America and Britain did work and fought together at certain battles, but both still acted basically independent. Like Britain basically covering all of Normandy’s eastern flank. Or Britain fighting for Arnhem during Market Garden. For the most part it’s not like America and Britain were fighting shoulder to shoulder

It’s like how during the invasion of Germany America basically independently advanced into Germany while Britain stayed North and headed towards Denmark

I’d argue Germany+Italy is an entirely different situation. Italy practically was a minor faction attached to Germany eventhough Germany is the one that sent to assist Italy in North Africa. And then it flipped the other way around where Italy is just there supporting Germany

Britain is no way near minor faction status as Italy. France in the latter half of the war is minor faction status