a suggestion that would make fair fight for germany against both sides have better smg than them since usa and urss in br2 still a problem in question of smg since pps42/pps43/uragan and owen/lanchester/m1a1 thompson literaly shows to be far superior than italy/german smgs , i believe ZK 383 almost shares similiar stats almost decent on everything it do like usa and urss have
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ZK-383 would likely be too strong, since it’s a 9mm SMG with 700 (810) RPM and a 32 round magazine.
Ideally, Germany needs a 9mm with 600 (690) RPM and 30-32 round magazines, essentially an analogue to the Lanchester in the Allies tree. ZK 403 with stick magazines could be a nice option for this.
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With all of that being said, Germany arguably has the best SMG at BR 2, if you’re willing to learn how to use it:
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well zk383 is enough to face two unnecessary added disbalanced smg like uragan and the m1a1 tommy gun on br2 , to be fair i dont even know why they added theses two on br2 , would be okay just let m1a1 tommy gun on br3 and uragan br3 too
calling that best br2 smg is like be a meme , it have flaws , the aim and mag capacity with very high firerate, to compare the pps family in range combat would be too risky , i mean the pps family doesnt have any flaws they some how good even in distance and close combat in order to take care more enemies without any issues , about the m1a1 tommy gun is same thing , owen can beat beretta too , the lanchester … i dont know
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The PPS-43 and Uragan require 3 bullets to kill at any range against vitality, while the 9mm SMGs only require 2 at very close range. You are correct, the PPS-43 and Uragan are very strong (I do agree that the Uragan is too strong for BR 2 in it’s current form), but the M1918 can beat both of them in gunfights every single time. Why would a high rate of fire be a strength for the PPS-43 and Uragan, but a weakness for the M1918?
The M1A1 thompson has great bullet damage and TTK, but .45 ACP muzzle velocity is an extremely sluggish 265m/s (400m/s for almost every 9mm SMG, 450m/s for almost every Soviet SMG).
People shy away from the M1918 solely because of the top-mounted magazine. The gun was already controllable with practice, and the newly added bayonet gives it more recoil control due to hidden bayonet stat buffs. The only reason it hasn’t been uptiered to BR 3 at this point is because people are afraid of guns with a top-loaded magazine.
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Here is me using the M1918 on a soldier with the following perks. I used an Assaulter II since they are accessible. The first 3 bursts are full auto, the last 3 bursts are “tap firing” to reduce the rate of fire closer to 600 RPM.
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because its already weakness for m1918 beretta , very very high fire rate can increase recoil , making the weapon not worth in range combat , making the spread firing or bad dispersion , and worse the time fighting too spending more time reloading than firing enemies .
pps 42/pps43/uragan dont have weakness because the fire rate is not exagerated and even fit for a 32 ammo capacity smg , with perfection of recoil and moderated time fighting .
m1a1 tommy gun isnt that bad for moderated recoil , damage and ammo capacity , i wouldnt mind for muzzle velocity
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ZK has very good dispersion tho - combined with its fast rate of fire definitely too powerful for BR2
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If only we had Italian assaulter squads, I would use the Beretta or OVP and the FNAB. But alas, we only have German assaulter squads, so I’m stuck using the MP 40 (which admittedly isn’t a bad weapon).
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I wouldn’t call the ZK too strong for level two, especially when we’re comparing it to the PPS-43, the Uragan and Thompson. Both the PPS and Uragan arguably could be level three SMG’s, and the Uragan “SHOULD” be a level three SMG. We all know the Thompson was level three then dropped. IMOP, the ZK actually fits right in with these SMG’s. That being said, the Germans best level three SMG is the ZK. However, even if the ZK were dropped to level two, it really changes nothing for the Germans at level three since their best level three SMG would still be the ZK, but it would now be available for use in level two as well. If the ZK were dropped to level two, I would still use it as my level three main SMG.
Me personally? I would leave the ZK at level three, move the Uragan to level three and either debuff the PPS-43 to a lower max rate of fire, say, 750 rpm, or move it to level three. The Thompson I would leave at level two because there are so many other Thompson level three options. Same reason I would drop the base BAR 1918 to level two because the US needs a level two MG, and there are three BAR’s at level three. No other faction has so many variations of one gun at a BR level then the Allies.
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I believe it’s actually the weakest of the BR III SMGs for the Axis. It only has 30 rounds, the least damage, and cramped sights. The MP35 does 7.2 damage, the Beretta has 40 rounds, both have far superior sights. Even the MP35 can beat out Soviet and US SMGs, just not in close range (German SMGs advantages are at longer ranges, and the ZK suffers at that).
I think the Uragan should be a BR III alternative to the PPSH. It’s the most accurate Soviet SMG (next to the PPSH box), shoots the fastest in BR II, and has no literal downsides. I still wouldn’t use it purely because I like using weapons historically (a one off partisan gun would never be in a proper brigade). Still, I can’t deny it is a severely overpowered SMG in BR II.
On another note, the reload of the Fedorov 1912 should be nerfed to 3.2 seconds, to be more in line with it’s contemporaries.
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It might be the weakest, but it’s the only smg I use at level three, which I guess means I like it. 
But the ZK definitely wouldn’t be to strong for level two. 
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I can’t believe I missed this in your original post. But yes, I have been campaigning for a while that one BAR variant should go down to BR II. The Germans have the Breda and MG 13 on BR II, so why can’t the Americans have a BAR and Bren to represent their two subfactions on BR II.
I should make a post about this, since I believe the Vickers Berthier could actually get it’s fire rate raised to 600 rpm (like it could do in real life) and added to BR III, since they won’t add another UK MG (cough cough Lewis gun is needed for Allies BR III).
We all use what we I like. I like using the M3A1 Grease Gun in BR II because of how easy it is to control (and I find the sights nicer than the M50 Reising or M1A1 Thompson). I use the M1A1 in BR III, because I hate the sights of the other Thompsons (The M1 is BR IV, otherwise I would use that instead).
Heck, in my engineer squads for BR III, I only use two Gewehr 41s and the rest are Kar 98s. It helps balance the imperfections of early semi autos and makes a more realistic squad setup.
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In all honesty, this is my favorite German level three SMG, but I only have one.
If I had my way, the base level BAR 1918 would drop to level two. The Soviet RPK-43 MG would be added to the Soviet TT, along with increasing it’s magazine from 15 to 20 rounds. Reduce the horizontal recoil of the MG13, and add the Japanese Hotchkiss 1922 MG to the TT.
I love the RPK, but since it was a BP weapon only have four, and those 15 rounds don’t last long in a firefight.
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MP40 and Beretta M38/42 are more than good enough.
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Criminal idea - Stop suggesting it
The BAR is incredibly powerful, it should not be put in BR3. And there is no point nerfing it to put in BR2 since then it wouldnt be what people love about the BAR.
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I didn’t say anything about nerfing it, I would drop it as is. And as far as it being a “Criminal Idea”?
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I mean like who doesn’t like the best SMG in BR III (and possibly the entire game) - the PPSH. It is ridiculously overpowered. Even with the dispersion nerf (that should be a reality), it will still outperform every weapon in it’s tier (and possibly BR IV too).
Someone did a suggestion earlier about adding a 25 round RPK to the tech tree, since they found proof of one existing (it was able to successfully feed from a Madsen magazine). I think that would be a better fit, since it would be the analogue to a MG 13. I still don’t mind the Madsen though (especially after the buff).
The Soviets are the only faction strangely to have only 1 MG in BR II.
This one is a little more contentious. I don’t know the stats of the Hotchkiss, and I feel it more likely wouldn’t be added because the Japanese already have the KE7, an assault-based MG, and the Americans won’t have an alternative unless the BAR is downtiered at the same time.
What, just some more movement dispersion, a little more horizontal / vertical recoil, and slightly slower movement speed and slightly more dispersion in general plus a longer ADS and reload? I’m sure most people would sacrifice that to have an American MG in BR II.
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The Hotchkiss is level two, and is not overpowering in anyway. 500 ROF, same as the RPK, it just has much better sights then the other Japanese level two MG’s and is fairly smooth to operate. It is IMOP far and away better then any other Japanese TT MG at level two. I do like the Type 97 machine gun as well, but only if fighting at a distance as it comes with a scope, but I do not like it at close quarters fighting.
The RPK I’ve seen could be equipped with a 25 round mag, but in keeping it in line with the BAR, I had suggested 20 rounds. However, the 25 round mag would be better and more accurate. The RPK also has a ROF of 500 and has more vertical recoil then even the base BAR. To get a BAR at level two, I would be willing to see the Dev’s drop the ROF from it’s upper 600’s down to like 500 base and 550 or 575 maxed. The RPK does fine at 500, so I think the BAR would be fine in the 500’s, and this in theory should reduce the recoil as well.
