I’d be glad if you consider adding the Bir Hakeim battle (1942, lasted for 16 days) setting 1st french brigade of Koenig against the famous Afrikakorps of Rommel as italians forces in the middle of the libyan desert. It could allow german infantry of course as especially tanks fightings, planes attacks as artillery against french forces strongly retrenched in quite a solid stronghold with a Vauban style defense.
I have no clue what you’re on : Egypt is a country and Tunisia is a different country… Tunis (ingame battle of Tunis) is a city located in Tunisia, not in Egypt… are you for real ?
Bytheway if you’ve bothered to read my post you could have known I precise Bir Hakeim is actually in Libya… So I don’t need you to “teach” me anything actually, especially coming from such an illiterate as you are at best : this is quite a shame to confuse cities with countries and countries from one another, even though they are north african countries, which appear to be quite “unknown” in your books : for being lesser countries, is that it ?
Also there are the Normandie as the Berlin battles already in the game, which are both single battles which lasted 4 and 2 weeks respectively. The Bir Hakeim battle lasted 2 weeks just like the battle of Berlin, which is in the game and it initiated many allies victories in north Africa.
I see thus absolutely nothing preventing the Bir Hakeim battle to be considered by devs as quite a valid suggestion for a future desert setting, or is it because you don’t want french troops to be potentially added in the game, as well as maybe italians ?
Next time try to be understandable at the very least, since you can’t be constructive, for your post is quite offensive for many people.
What he meant is that it cant be included in the battle of Tunisia campaign
No need to be rude
Thats because these battles are insanely famous and can be recognized by people who don’t even know about ww2
This in contrast its a pretty unknown battle that wouldn’t really help in the marketing of the game, also, it wouldnt feel to different to the tunisia campaign
This is a really dumb statement seeing as a lot of people want to see the battle of france added into the game as well as the invasion of italy
Again, a pretty dumb statement since what he said is just why this probably won’t be included and again, you come off like a rude when the other comment just wanted to reason with you
Cheers
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i mean,
i’ll remove my post if it’s too " offencive " for you.
please…
don’t insult me like that, i’ll might take this as offencive ^^
weather for my answer to your polite and amusing response, ( to Gargartos )
enlisted makes content out of famous battles because that’s what people like to see, and that’s why people came here to play.
not some unfortunally almost forgotten battle like this one. point is, there are many battles out there almost unknown that would take ages just to get models, voice actors, and further down the line, money as long effort from the devs.
common sense, yes?
use it.
not to mention, it’s a bit earlier to suggest something reletavely big when we yet don’t have all campaigns available. don’t you think ?^^.
As a french person I feel extremely proud about this battle and the courage of these surrounded men . But even if I find unfortunate that this battle is not well known, it must be admitted that the content is too weak and absolutely not diversified to have any interest in Enlisted. The battle of berlin, Normandy and other took place over hundreds of kilometers of surfaces with entire armies, which is not quite the same for bir-Hakeim.
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Sorry xD, didn’t realize
Please try not to be rude next time you post.
I look at this from 3 perspectives:
Environmental / Theme:
Currently, the planned campaigns are as followed:
Moscow - Germany vs Soviets in snow environment
Tunisia - Germany + potentially Italy vs Britain in desert environment
Normandy - Germany vs Britain + America in forest / plains environment
Berlin - Germany vs Soviets in city environment
As you notice, each campaign as a drastically different environment to fight in. This suggested campaign would be matching the existing planned environment for Tunisia. From a game design perspective, it would make little sense to add this campaign from an environmental perspective.
Nations:
As this battle includes the French and Italians, argument could be made that it would offer unique weapons. However, captured French weapons already exist for the Normandy campaign, and French forces did help in the invasion so could potentially be added there as premium units. As such, it would not be offering a new nation either, unlike for example a Pacific campaign where USA would be fighting the Japanese, or a Winter War campaign where the Soviets would be fighting the Finnish.
Marketing value:
Lastly, there is the marketing perspective to look at. The Bir Hakeim battle is not well known for anyone outside of France, probably. Compared to the campaigns here, with Normandy being the obvious most well known for the majority of Western countries, battle of Moscow being the most well known for the Russians, Berlin being the most well known for Germans / East Europe, and Tunisia being the most well known battle of the Africa campaign, it just does not compare. Even the Invasion of France would be more well known for the Frenchmen than this campaign. As such, Invasion of France would make more sense. For the Italians, the Invasion of Italy would make more sense as well.
Hope this gives a more clear understanding why this battle would not be ideal to add, considering the amount of work a full campaign takes to add, and how little this specific one would add to the game’s experience.
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To be honest, Bir-Hakeim is not known at all in France, apart from history lovers. But I agree with all the points. I would also love to see the Battle of France represented, not so much as a Frenchman but especially because the Blitkrieg campaigns are very little represented in the world of video games, which can be a plus for Enlisted.
I do wonder where I’ve been rude, stating the obvious is certainly not rude… Erika’s blatantly better at simply making fun of her as offensive as shameful mistakes (shame’s probably the reason why the post’s been deleted) or simply flaming than to know african countries or where african cities are located… Pathetic really, one should know when not to comment about things obviously unknown.
Interesting post Tcat for being constructive but sadly all wrong about the second part of the war of the desert, for if battle of Tunis will be true to history :
- there shouldn’t be much desert in any battle actually, this should be charming typical north african loose settlements as cities and surroundings instead, plus nice coastal landscapes.
- battle of Tunis should not feature the famous Afrikakorps which had been dismantled by then, for having lost against Montgomery in the first part of the war of desert…
Even though I suggested the Bir Hakeim battle, it could and should totally be included in a first part of the war of desert (Bir Hakeim battle in Libya then battles of El Alamein in Egypt) which battle of Tunis is the second part.
A campaign featuring the Bir Hakeim battle could offer :
- typical plain desert environnements
- new nations/units : the most famous german Afrikakorps of course, french (including the famous french foreign legion) italians but also British Raj (indian troops) australian as new zealand troops (for all being part of the commonwealth).
- specific weapons as mechanics : tanks as amoured light vehicules fighting, artillery, inflitration as by night combat, mining and even bayonets for melee due to war of attrition : both armies were exhausted by the end of this campaign
- the Bir Hakeim battle could even be a brand new specific siege mode of this war/battle of the desert campaign.
As for your quite personal vision of marketing : german players are probably way more interested with a campaign in the french Ardennes showing off the blitzkrieg rather than the taking of Berlin… Even a Bir Hakeim/El Alamein campaign would be certainly more appreciated by german players than the taking of Berlin actually, for featuring the most famous Afrikakorps (most famous for their numerous victories on brits, thanks to Rommel, most famous wermacht commander).
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Pure desert would be boring to 99% of average FPS players. Tunisia would be better
Doesn’t matter to 99% of the average FPS players as well.
Like Moscow?
Also not exclusive to this
Could be a thing for Normandy as well, but I doubt they’ll be adding night battles
?
Could be a thing for any of these campaigns.
I didn’t say interested. I said well known. And modern day Germans actually look back at the Battle of Berlin as Liberation, not as Defeat.
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berlin
liberation
that’s some stockholm syndrome
I think he meant that the Battle of Berlin marked the end of the war, which was a relief for the Germans. But the subject seems to drift a bit…
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“A relief for germans”
thousands of boys and girls alike raped, thousands executed, country divided for 45 years, country devastated beyond hope.
“Nah bro it’s liberation”
And to respond to Gargatos, the Afrikakorps was dissolve at the end of the Battle of Tunis ? But anyway, you could still see french troops there, as every other nations you quote actually. And you can also see deserts battles as well.
For modern day Germany, it was a liberation from the Nazi rule.
Please enlighten yourself.
According to a former army officer: “We were young, strong, and four years without women. So we tried to catch German women and… Ten men raped one girl. There were not enough women; the entire population run from the Soviet Army. So we had to take young, twelve or thirteen year-old. If she cried, we put something into her mouth. We thought it was fun. Now I can not understand how I did it. A boy from a good family… But that was me.”
[Alexievich 1988 War’s Unwomanly Face . Moscow: Progress publishers. [ISBN] [978-5010004941]
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Of course they teach that after the Americans rebuilt the country lmao
“enlighten yourself”
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Isnt the saying “The Victors write history”? Because thats exactly an example of it right there. sucking off the victors.
We aren’t living in 1945 anymore. This is 2021. These are the Germans that play this game.
Its not the subject. But anyway when you spent 4 years being bombed everyday, your brother, son or father sent to the frontline, yeah no matter what, at the end you are relived…