Yep thats the issue, we get so little control over picking maps, now we have even less
T-28 in berlin or Japanese Tiger is not fun.
Itās laughable and pathetic for any WW2 game.
You donāt need a history book for that.
I donāt know when you joined, but I played my first match in May 2020 and it was THE game I had always wanted.
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Itās @Veekay45 job to cite sources on any claims he makes, other people shouldnāt have to go on a wild goose chase for a source that may not even exist. Yes that list would be massive but the forum allows for click for details and direct messages, so I think veekay should provide sources when asked because if not then we canāt take his claims seriously.
Depends on the person.
Finally a game that allowes Jumbo in Normandy and outdated Panzer III B in Moscow.
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And thankfully itās not that game any more. You can say itās not fun, but the numbers prove you to be wrong. About this change in particular a helper has posted the same poll asking about player approval on both the Discord and the subreddit, both of which itās safe to say have a larger sample size more indicative of the average player than this forum, and the results are overwhelmingly in favor of any BR Berlin.
Having the minority opinion like you do is fine, but donāt pretend that itās what most people want. To do so would be deluding yourself at best, and misguiding the devs at worst. Thankfully, from the number of things you have to complain about, they seem to know whatās up. Like you said, there hasnāt been a āstep forwardā as you see it in quite some time.
Just progress.
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Yes and no, the burden of proof lies on proving a positive, not a negative, itās both how the justice system works and how it works in academic circles, but yes when you make a claim you should really back it up, but realisticly this is a giant claim, the only way heād be able to provide all the sources would be through direct messages as you stated. Private messages that wouldnāt be directed to you, or anyone else uninvolved, so the ācanāt take his claims seriouslyā point doesnāt compute at all, you wonāt be seeing them.
My point was that it was dishonest to ask for a single source when thatās both unrealistic, and that you wouldnāt read the complete list even if you got them, dispute this statement instead please.
Also, whilst I donāt think Veekays list is 100% correct (nor a theoretical one I made be of course), itās still the overwhelming and representative truth, you can go ahead and claim āwell I havenāt seen anything from you to back it up so I just donāt know, Iāll just assume itās wholly inaccurateā, thatās on you to stuff your ears and avoid the overarching point heās trying to make.
This statement, if a bit hyperbolic, is still true.
Iām still just playing the devils advocate, my objections to this change has nothing to do with historical accuracy.
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Oh yes god forbid Moscow had nothing betetr than BT-7 and Pz 38t, and Berlin had nothing worse than T-34-85 and PPS.
What a horrible game that would have been /s
First time I hear about any poll.
And with all due respect to the populus of Discord and Reddit, they are often not the most informed about the Eastern Front of WW2.
However, I canāt blame them ā if I was playing a video game Iām clueless about (like Baseball or Cricket) I would also welcome all stadiums to be opened to all teams or something.
God forbid we get a British sniper squad in Brodies or a Soviet event APC indeed. And definitely not sandy Shermans in Tunisia, that would ruin all the fun.
Huh?
I donāt think I ever said āwe the peopleā or something.
I just donāt want to be forced to participate a worse version of the game I got so invested in (time-wise and financially) back in 2020 and I think thatās fair.
Even a BR+map block system would already suffice.
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Yes the direct message wouldnāt be sent to anyone uninvolved thatās why I stated the following:
He should provide a source when asked. And yes I donāt think we can take his claims seriously or believe heās any authority on the subject without a list of sources. So as people become involved they can ask veekay for his sources and those uninvolved wont ever request to see the sources due to the fact theyād not involving themselves.
If I wanted to dispute veekay on any of his claims I would be willing to look through his souce list. But even if I had no intention of disputing his claims it doesnāt mean he could just make unfounded claims.
I believe the overarching point he was trying to make was that enlisted has weapons that donāt belong in certain campaigns, but unlike veekay Iāve already accepted thar the campaign merger has already made Enlisted a non historically accurate game and that his cause of making Enlisted āhistorically accurateā is a lost cause and would be nearly impossible post merge.
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The main point I see is that the devs COULD give us the option not to see reindeer painting on a tank and zombie weapons or a half naked manās portrait with a chamberpot on top or they could make it easy to select Tunisia and Moscow but ban Berlin. And this would not take away the fun for those who want an open free-for-all game.
But the devs do not give us these options BEFORE opening up the game for more possible combinations, and has already alienated a considerable part of the playerbase due to it, which may be in line with what they want, we donāt know. And when you poll, those who left will not say how bad they feel about it, so anything based on polls is biased as well.
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I mean, itās not nessesary, Iām not a expert on the weapons in the Battle of Berlin, I still know heās overwhelmingly correct, the most I could do is nitpick, but his overall still be correct.
I donāt think asking for changes to the game should be limmited to just people able and willing to do actual academic level research, because thatās whatās needed here. I also still doubt anyone would actually read through the sources even when handed a complete list, please this is my main point stop ignoring it. The āasking for a sourceā thing is just a distraction, focus.
Agreed.
Thatās why our energy should be poured into asking for other changes, like more historical gear to the game, a map prefference system, or as the devs have promised in the past, weapons and vehicles filter in custom games, this would satify everybody.
I just want historiclly common gear to be in the tech tree, and not as event weapons or premiums, and greater sub-faction representation, becuase I want the us the players to have the tools to build the military companies we want, I (and Veekay I assume) want to make historical companies, others have other ways to have fun and thatās perfectly fine. These are the most important aspects to the game for me. Mostly why I am in @Veekay45 's corner is that I hope heāll see some sense and realise that you should learn to choose which battles to fight and which to leave.
BR as a system for historical map rotation has never been true, the devs only paid lip service to the idea, but never fully implemented it.
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I donāt like these either and I also am waiting for the Devs to implement a filter to hide these things
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Well spoken, sir. Options, give us options.
I know Iām not making any friends by arguing against everyone. 
I think we can agree on that, I donāt think heās lying when he says that the majority of rare weapons werenāt used in Berlin.
I guess I do sound a bit silly asking for sources of the abscene of certain weapons being used but Its mainly the principle of citing the sources that oneās used. For example if heād claimed something absurd then I would like to see his sources.
This is probably how I sounded when I asked for source of the soviets not using prototype weapons in Berlin:
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I donāt think you understand my intention.
I donāt want to āturn Enlisted 100% historically accurateā or ākill all the funā.
All I want is to see interest in WW2 from the devs again.
Not in Zombies, Special Heroes, Demon decals, or Japanese Tigers.
There are a dozen things that could make the game much more versatile and fit everyoneās taste even at this stage now:
- Add map/BR ban ā those who want can play whatever, I wonāt have to play Stalingrad BR 4-5, everyone wins.
- Add cosmetic filter ā those who want can put 10 reindeers on their Tiger for all I care, I wonāt have to look at them, everyone wins.
- Add actual iconic WW2 stuff to the game instead of weird prototypes and imaginary guns (Ju-87 Kanonenvogel, Sherman Easy Eight, Soviet/Japanese event APC, SdKfz 222, British/Italian APC/bike/MG nest etc.) ā ācasualā players will see it as ācontentā too, right? It doesnāt have to be Su-9 (1946) after Uragan after Rocket pershing after HoRi all the time.
- Add biome-to-camo links and basic faction insignia like German Balkenkreuz on the sides of tanks by default. Pz III with cross white in Moscow and sandy in Tunisia.
- Add BR limitations to custom games ā not everyone wants to play BR5 all the time there.
- Wishful thinking: add BR6 with Ā±0 MM and let them have fun with T20, Autohei, AS and other ābalancedā fantasy stuff, even FFA for all I care, keeping BR 1-5 for stuff actually used in WW2.
I honestly donāt think these āsteps in the WW2 directionā would ākill the gameā or are āunrealistic, so just give up on WW2ā.
PS
Just for context: in 2020 I came to the game which naturally had white T-26 in Moscow, Volkssturm weapons in Berlin and sandy PAK gun in Tunisia ā 5 years later we basically lost all of this.
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I donāt mind zombies as long as theyāre confined in a event setting, stupid decals piss me off as well, as for Japanese tigers the whole of hight tier Japan should be quarantined because I donāt think any of the weapons except maybe planes were ever used.
I agree with both these points
There is lots of unused interesting ww2 equipment not in game but as for prototypes, in my opinion adding prototypes should be a last resort for example if the USA needed a higher tier at weapon I would have preferred a prototype rather than a captured weapon.
I agree with both these points as well
Personally I would of liked if the Devs made the volksturm equipment legacy weapons like some of the Stalingrad gear.
Edit: I also remember 2021 Enlisted because thatās the year it came out on Xbox and I do remember playing quite a bit and enjoying itās more accurate depiction of ww2 compared to bf5
proof I was there in 2021
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good change, all maps should be on all BRs, slow and steady as per the snail logo
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And here is mine from 2020.05.08 ā first ever Enlisted screenshot I took (because I was in awe seeing actual Brandenburg Gate for the first time in video games)
Exactly my case, I was deeply unhappy with BF5 for its insanities and complete neglect of the Eastern Front, but WW2/1 games is something I couldnāt just not play:
Then I found Enlisted thanks to a YouTube video showcasing the beta by @Ravik (who also seems to have left the game unhappy after the Merge)
And since then (2020) put my time, money and soul (voiceover modding) into this game (my first premiums were BA-11 and Pz 38t when I think they were the only premiums available)
Probably thatās why it feels so bad watching the game being massacred for no apparent reason.
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Damm the gun models look so different now.
You right I may not have been around for as long as you but it still hurts to see the Enlisted Devs somehow manage to always make the worst decision or stop short of making the important decision and instead leaving the players with a inferior version of what was promised (for example the preferred map system)
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Kinda weird to say goodbye to an imaginary friend as an adult
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