You made some valid and reasonable statements in your last long post before this one, but I had to make this reply pointing out the eyeroll-inducing melodrama of this quote
“Seeing the game being massacred for no apparent reason”
Man, if the game was being massacred or getting worse, it wouldn’t be fun enough for me to have over twice the hours in half the amount of time. (Started playing September of 2023, I remember because I was able to partially complete the event at the time, ‘Fire Attack’ and get one Luftfaust but neither plane)
and you know whats fking crazy? this game is a fking video game, if your so butthurt about historical accuracies then play Hell let lose or ARMA fk wit
Those games play very differently. Still can’t grasp what’s the problem of making the game better for everyone instead only for those who don’t care about certain stuff. When it does not hurt anyone.
Does it matter for you if I can click on a “Tunisia, Moscow, Pacific only” option knowing that maybe I’ll face a 2 minute queue while you don’t care and join anything they gave you?
It was in Enlisted (sort of), it’s not something I just came up with, nobody requested it to be removed, a lot of players asked for such an option to return.
What you see as “massacre” is improvement for others. You lost, that’s the reality. Your double standard is no longer a valid.
BR system doesn’t reflect year of deployment, that’s pure delusion based on clearly outdated statement. And your argumentation is all based around this nonsense.
There’s plenty of stuff on low BRs that are mid to late war.
I can only congratulate you that you seem to have more free time than me, I guess.
I wish I could play more in general.
To each their own.
I see appearance of T-26 in Berlin, SU-9 1946 in Stalingrad and Japanese Tiger as well as basically removal of Italy and Britain as a massacre of the original game I was attracted by.
Those were the exact reasons I moved from BF5 to Enlisted.
it was used for training and for secondary fronts after retiring from front. iirc i read about at least 1 pz. 2 that was used in defense of berlin as last measure, so obsolete tanks were used. there is even disputed claim about british mark V tanks being used in battle of berlin, so who knows what germans actually used in regards to vehicles and weapons. although i mostly agree about soviet equipment.
It’s the first time I hear about this, would be nice to know where this info comes from?
Even though I don’t think this is impossible.
Maybe M3 was used as APC (however how many people can fit there?), I haven’t seen any evidence (or logic) of M3 as APC in 1945.
Definitely. Late WW2 was “anything goes” for Germany
so I wouldn’t be surprised if once or twice even the craziest stuff was used like Gewehr 1888 or captured museum pieces like T-35 or Char B1 even if just to fire one shot
you see, the main problem stems from a huge, main misconception from the developer team and the company in general.
the players want to have a game that gives as much satisfaction for them as possible. which is correct, and completely understandable.
the company wants to make as much money out of the game for them as possible. which is correct, and completely understandable.
both sides have totally correct and understandable objectives out of the game.
the problem, and the main misunderstanding that brings aaaaaaaall the issues there ever been, starts when the company sees both objectives as directly opposed and contradictory.
they use the system of “give as little satisfaction as possible, to extract as much money as possible”.
when the real working system goes the opposite: give as much satisfaction as possible to the customer, and it will inherently bring as much money as it can get.
naturally, the real working system implies more effort and work than giving a minimaly viable product, which could be the real problem, if you dig into it.
I went into depth about this on another post, but the TLDR is, a mix of the official testing document for the M3 Lee by the soviets and then first and second hand accounts of it in action.
17 men is the answer btw, normally all armed with SMG’s historically. Though the issue varies from there, since there was a lot of non standard modification and possible confusion due to other soviet doctrine (ie the vehicle crew being counted as a part of the squad so personally, I count a 6/7 man crew plus a 10/11 man squad mounted inside.). This gets more confusing as there are varying accounts on the modifications made to the tank to allow it, from removing the 75mm casemate to kangeroo’ing the 37mm turret. Though there is a constant of it being mentioned that it was the earlier model M3’s which still had side doors and hatches.
The logic was more along the ideas of modern APC use of dropping men directly next to the enemy, something the lightly armoured Halftracks and etc struggled with, where as a tank could in ideal condition park next to an enemy bunker with no real opposition and drop a 10 man SMG team directly to the door of said bunker complex.
Its also worth mentioning, that obsolete vehicles and weapons were commonly retained even when improved gear was readily available for a multitude of reasons.
Honestly I was completely against this but I think Ogge in particular convinced me to be open to this idea more, since most german gear fits to a degree, and a decent amount of soviet gear fits (minus planes and tanks), such as the PPS and moisins. As for the prototypes, they never fit no matter the battle so nothing to be done about that.
If we had a more intricate system where we could have separate presets for different maps on the same BR, it could even somewhat work (e.g. mp 3008, k98 kriegs, Puma for Berlin maps and MP 38, k98 prewar, pz 38t for Moscow)
But I can’t be open to any extent to the idea of Soviet soldiers with PPD-34, Madsen, Fedorov 1912 and Uragan alongside T-26, BT-7 and T-28 storming Berlin, that’s just insane.
I mean the Uragan actually somehow fits despite being a partisan weapon due to how the soviets absorbed partisan formations and their weapons.
The PPD 34 isnt inexcusable either, still would be absurdly odd to see one, but not impossible. I mean a german using a Madsen would make sense, just not a soviet. And then see point about proto weapons above not fitting anywhere.
As for the Tanks, the BT-7 is also in theory able to be seen in Berlin, since it was kept in frontline use till the end of the war, though in a armoured recon role. T-26’s are rare to see in game anyway, the main issue is the T-28 imo, that will be annoying to see. This wont be fixed until the soviet BR2 tank lineup is expanded though, the T-50 isnt popular enough atm. (That or nerf the T-28 a little, like no magic MG turrets for example or etc.)
PPD-40 with a drum - maybe. But stick mag PPD-34? Basically impossible.
They were superseded by the millions of PPSh 41s and then by the millions of PPS 43s.
Sorry, but never in a million years.
First of all most if not all of them were destroyed in 41-43, as their armor protected the crew only against rifle bullets.
Secondly, moving this 1930s model to Western Europe in 44-45 would be hell logistics wise and useless combat wise when you have thousands of T-34 85s.
In general, the Red Army standardized and optimized their inventory like crazy by late war, halting production and support of all outdated and obsolete weapons.
I think in reality no, however I can at least see a world where it did end up there, but again see the point on proto/one off weapons. It had no right being a TT weapon and really shouldnt have been added tbh, but too late for that now.
Again unlikely, but not impossible, there could be a rare situation where someoen kept a hold of their own on for sentimental reasons or etc.
Oh no 100%, the BT-7 was retained in the west, post 42/43 they were completely gone from dedicated tank battalions/etc, but it was retained in the armoured recon role, I mean people do tend to forget quite how diverse soviet equipment was at times, it certainly wasnt all T-34’s, even later in the war.
Production for sure, but equipment in actual use varied massively, not to mention the insane amounts of gear maintained in the field alone by the soviets, I mean look at the countless field mods to random armoured cars alone, many designs of which were obsolete in 1941 let alone in 1945. So no the BT-7 100% served in the berlin sector, though very likely not in the street fighting itself.
I mean frankly being in any soviet tank no matter the period seems to be wildly dangerous at the safest of times.
Crew survivability never was a priority, or frankly even an afterthought for them.
I always laugh where you see the soviets call the M3 Lee a coffin for 6 brothers, considering even the M3 Lee was safer than most soviet designs. I mean the T-34 has always terrified me, especially when you read account of tankers burning alive mid way through their hatches, unable to escape due to a variety of reasons. (I mean not limited to the T-34 there but certainly more prevalent with it.).
The other one that stuck with me is the account from a panther crewmember who almost had the same because of their camo netting which was set on fire by a sherman, for some reason they thought it was a good idea to cover the hatches with the tightly fitted camo net.
That’s a bold statement. I believe it 100% didn’t, and no commander would put his men into a BT-7 against the Germans in 1945.
And I don’t think that’s how dictatorship armies work.
Your sentiments don’t matter, the rifle is not yours, they take old rifle, they give new rifle.
You need to be a functional fighter, not a romantic with his beloved Berdan II or PPD from the winter war.
Still arguing for historical accuracy when that was executed and put in a box to float down the river.
If that is your biggest gripe, you may as well quit now because it will only get worse.
