During the 1939–1940 Soviet–Finnish war an acute lack of individual automatic weapons led to the reintroduction of the stockpiled Fedorovs into service. They were sent to the Karelian front, mostly to military intelligence units. It is presumed that most of the Fedorov Avtomats were expended or destroyed during that war.
While we’re using these “But what if” arguments, the first prototypes of mkb42 were done during 1940.
So while we assume “its theoretically possible t-50 just drove from leningrad to moscow” and
“theorically it fits the timeframe”
We can also assume someone walked the Mkb42 prototypes from Germany to moscow front.
There you go, now the Mkb42 is historically correct as many sovjet equipment.
If you think time travelling and MIliTarY TriaLS is as bad as something that was adopted in the military at the time but possibly located in a different city, then we are in different IQ realms and there’s no point casting pearls before…
Historical accuracy is quite simple. It either happened or didnt.
Was it in use before, was it in use somewhere else is not in any form mitigating.
It is just as much of fantasy as anything else.
In a perfect world, yes.
However, there are levels of plausibility and complete nonsense.
Balancing hisorical accuracy/suspension of disbelief and gameplay.
In real life it’s basically impossible to create something 100% historically accurate because then you’d have to pull archives and evidence of use for each item per each battle and location and that would become unnesessarily tedious.
That’s how I see it. If it was adopted by the military at that point in time, it gets a pass.
Feel free to set your personal boundaries as you like.
Balancing has nothing to do with historical accuracy.
Currently the subject is historical accuracy regarding equipments.
Cant prove it was there ? Well then it doesnt have place in there.
Quite simple.
“Im totally not maining soviets but I make these exceptions that some soviet equipment could have used teleport and infact little bit of time travelling to get in moscow”
Go and create a perfectly historically accurate WW2 game then.
Will you factor in the weather? The food rations? The ammo count?
Yes, there are. Look up “suspension of disbelief” in games.
Yes it has everything to do with it: historically accuracy would tell you Germans had jack shit during Barbarossa: mostly K98s and some MP-40s, yet they had the experience, numbers and coordination.
Now go ahead and balance that in a game.
Are you The Law now? lmao
Literally stated this inbefore.
I have a lot of pearls to cast but your oinking is laughable by now: “main, main”
Im quite sure I never asked for historically accurated game. I just find it amusing how your asking for it while making fantasy exceptions for soviets.
So fantasy.
Quite easily, soviets were in exact same position. As well as theyr guns were absolute shit.
Dont have to, historical accuracy is just that easy. It happened or didnt.
Im like totally fine with nerfing germans in normandy as well, as I rarely play it.
“bUt BuT MkB is NOt PlaUsiBLe BuT bUt FedORov mIgHt HaVe dRiveN wiTH t-50 tO mosCOw oFc I doNT haVe anY proVe oF iT whIle Id LiKe thE gAme TO bE hiSToRIcaLLy aCCuraTed”
I spelled out the criteria I use for “passable, bad and horrible” before, search.
Quote me asking for “historical accuracy”.
There are no fantasy exceptions for any faction. If you can read the criteeria I spelled out, you’ll notice how there’s no limits on country of origin.
Go make your own post then, why are you shitpost-replying to me? lol
I spelled my criteria for historical and balanced game in plain English already.
You’re completely missing the points of “nerfing/buffing a faction” and simply “this shit didn’t exist then”.
Look up the criteria for the 10th time. Good, bad and horrendous.
mmm yess let your antis-soviet sentiment flow, don’t hold it in any longer.
so unexpected that your butt is on fire when crying MAAAIN.
As if no one remembers you from previous salt comments against the USSR.
So maining ? As your criterias are highly hypocritical.
Well as above, if not then your even more biased towards the soviets than regular soviet main.
Yet you feel the need to defend excistence of soviet fantasy equipments with certain rather highly soviets favoring excuses ?
Yes, fantasy in this subject.
Except your history
a) Fantasy favoring soviets
b) Theres no balance due to certain soviet equipments
So maining much there comrade ?
Well im also more than willing to nerf soviets as I play them rarely.
And remove all of theyr non existent weapons & nerf them to what they really should be.
Better ?
History has no such criteria.
Ah so avs / svt line of guns were discontinued in soviet because they were too good ? Cmon now comrade u can do better than that.
Dont really understand why my ass would be on fire. And tbh its not me whos trying to deny maining.
Ah yes. Ppsh is totally fine because mp40 has 0.2 more dmg at 300m
Cmon now comrade you could do better than that.
Really ? Well idk lets see.
Lets nerf all smg’s that has more than 40 rounds in magazine beyond usability. OFC this affects all factions because we want to be fair.
Lets nerf all automatic rifles beyond usability ofc all factions again.
Nerf all tanks that has over 75mm cannon OFC again all factions.
And last but not least nerf all planes that has rockets, again ofc all factions.
These definitely arent unreasonable request as I clearly stated they affect all factions.
Well theres above my suggestion, we can implemented in moscow. Totally not biased as I clearly said it affects everyone.
Sure, my nerf examples above also affects everyone so they arent biased requests.
Dont have to. History is quite selfexplanatory it either happened or it didnt.
Yet replyin 50 times trying to defend not at all main biased arguments
And does it change the fact that they were absolutely shit ? No.
Wasnt all that hard.
Ah, you speaking of the soviet teleporting device now ?
Yeah sorry it really doesnt fit in historical conversation.
Well that has been rather clear you have no idea of anything.
Even worse, are you now admitting that you arent even asking for historical accuracy ? But rather blatantly asking other faction weapons to removed while justifying your main faction fantasy equipment with rather questionable historical accuracy?
wat?
I was talking about my criteria of “was it adopted or not”.
idk wtf these are
You started replying to my comment.
Why would you think I might be remotely interested in your suggestions…
Make your own thread about ultimate historical accuracy? Why shitpost my comment with replies lol
You not understanding what “adopted in the military” means don’t make the 51th time not funny though
Once again my dude your internet expert opinion of “shit” on Soviet equipment is worth exactly that - shit.
So you didn’t google enough to see what replaced them as the next semi-auto? Sad.
Your mental gymnastics are really weak bro.
Unless you actually don’t understand the difference between time travelling and some weird geographical limitations introduced by you which I’m suddenly supposed to adhere to lol
quote me saying I want historical accuracy or keep steering the conversation like a little B?
I dont recall ever asking for one. Merely reminding your main bias and how the historical accuracy is bended when ever it suits your biased needs.
Do I give a fk what replaced them when subject was that they were such garbage that not even soviet union wanted them ?
And still you fail to see how biased your “requirements” are.
Lets make example, all smg’s under caliber 9mm should be nerfed to useless, ofc yet again same for all factions.
Ah, so your not asking for historical accuracy ? Regardless you quite often mention the history etc in your comments ?
So basicly your admitting your nothing but soviet maining kid asking with shit excuses to german equipment to be removed.
“tHiS cAn bE heRe beCuS it wAs sOmEwherE elSE”
“thAt cAnT bE heRe becuS is KilL mE”
Well played kid.
Really ? Because it currently seems its you who has found hes “knowledge” of soviet equipment from internet.
More precisely from enlisted. Which ironicly is the only place where soviet equipment actually is good unlike in reality or actually anywhere else.
The stock M1903 did not and would not have seen service in the Second World War, as it was removed from military stocks in the inter war period. The Springfields that would have been used would be the M1903A1 or M1903A3 for infantry, and the M1903A4 for snipers. The M1903A1 and M1903A3 for snipers would not have been used, nor would the stock M1903.
The M1 Bazooka was withdrawn from all areas of service and was replaced by the M1A1 or the M9 by the start of 1944. It’s as historically inaccurate as the Jumbo.
All of them were in service in Pacific in 1944. Combat models of the lightning up to and including the P-38H began to be withdrawn from the European theater in 1943, and was completed some time before D-day.
I put them there to further my point about how historically inaccurate things are just a part of the game, whether it comes from outdated out of service equipment, or from time traveling equipment. It’s just as “immersion breaking” either way, and anyone who says otherwise is either a hypocrite or just doesn’t know better.
IIRC, they only started being used after Normandy, but I am unfamiliar with German tanks so I could be wrong.
Remington began production of the M1903 in September 1941, at serial number 3,000,000, using old tooling from the Rock Island Arsenal which had been in storage since 1919. The very early rifles are almost indistinguishable from 1919-made Rock Island rifles. As the already worn tooling began to wear beyond use Remington began seeking Army approval for a continuously increasing number of changes and simplifications to both speed up manufacture and improve performance. The milled parts on the Remington M1903 were gradually replaced with stamped parts until, at about serial number 3,330,000, the Army and Remington recognized that a new model name was appropriate.
so in 1941 they made 330k of stock M1903 rifles.
M1903A3 (1942–1944): sights were changed to an aperture (peep) system mounted on the receiver, and the rifle was modified for easier production with stamped metal parts and somewhat different grip and stock (late model Type S stock; no finger grooves).
well i know that there were p-38 in normandy, just idk exact versions that were flown.
In June 1944, 11 Panzer Divisions were waiting in the north of France in anticipation of the expected Allied landings, with 863 Panzer IVs (out of 965 tanks). Obviously, there were many Panzer IV Ausf.Js that took part in the clashes with the Allies which landed on the French coast. On June 11, 8. Panzerkompanie of the 12th SS Panzer Regiment of the 12th. Panzer Division ‘Hitlerjugend’ counterattacked the 6th Canadian Armoured Regiment near Mesnil-Patry, reoccupying the town and putting out of use or destroying 37 Shermans with the loss of only two Panzer IVs, forcing the Canadians to suspend their attack.
Willy Kretzschmar, commander of the 12. Panzerkompanie (equipped with Panzer IVs) of the same division, claimed to have destroyed 15 enemy tanks during the Battle of Normandy in his Ausf.J tank.
