6 dmg/630rpm (MP35/l) vs 6.8 dmg/700rpm (Thompson). It can’t and won’t compete vs superior M21/28 and mind that it still has to fight vs most op smg at BR3 which is PPSh-41 box
it’s mediocre at best as it has worse recoil than zk-383 despite shooting slower, DF balance doesn’t exist entire smg tree for Germany doesn’t make any sense it’s a total chaos and them being completely neglected
there are no compromise you either kill enemy or not, you will always be at a massive disadvantage
Even with recoil reduction it will still be crap and there will be zero reason to play as Germany. Here are your amazing BR3 matches vs Germany
Soviet matches are the easiest on Russian server. And the hardest on EU. NA is uneven so i can’t judge without playing there 100x but since i have bad ping there i’m only using RU/EU.
If we’re being honest, the M1928A1 has the worst sights in the US SMG tree. I prefer using the M1A1 over it for that exact reason. I guess you could claim the German SMGs have superior range and accuracy? At least, that’s what the Devs tell themselves every night before bed . . .
I can agree with that. A lot of BR III SMGs (in my opinion) perform worse than some of the BR II SMGs. It’s like they literally balanced them all around BR II.
Just pray that you get the worst Soviet teams who don’t yet know about turtle armour and the best German team. You still have a chance to win that way.
Still better than the M38/42 and MP40 (which I still use in BR III).
I was comparing only Thompson M21/28 to M35/l not other Tommies that have much worse recoil stats and also ironsight
Mp40 at first was supposed to be a BR3 smg. But then i and other complained and they had to downtier it. DF treats Germany like a punching bag so both enemy nations could train on them their punches and jabs
Not possible on RU server as they almost always are super competent and with body armors and on EU 30% of the matches you will see them carrying body armor or/and use BR3 overpowered tanks, ppsh-41 +SVT-38 and also annoying leaning. Last match on RU server me and other dude were spamming RMN-50. It was hell for Germans (they had at least 3 or4 bots too)
They are BR2 weapons (br3 in DF’s twisted minds) so hard to compare them to anything of BR3, they have power of BR1 in reality as they are pretty much a slightly upgraded Sten 2 that for some reason got downtiered to BR1.
I can somewhat understand justifying some buffs to Americans as i have the worst WR as them but for Soviets they don’t need buffs they need massive nerfs and Germany need buffs. But not too big as it would hurt Americans too.
That’s crazy. Taking into account all previous BR III SMGs:
Lanchester with 5.7 damage and 600 rpm
MP 40 with 5.8 damage and 500 rpm
SIG 1920 with 5.5 damage and 600 rpm
Fairly on par with the other SMGs (100 rpm and 0.1 damage isn’t really a deciding factor). Although the SIG 1920 with 50 rounds is a bit much.
And then comes the PPSH 41:
5.6 damage and 1000 rpm
The Germans had no hope. Darkflow clearly didn’t understand how to balance anything (a 1000 rpm SMG and a 50 round SMG against 5/600 rpm SMGs only with 30 odd rounds).
I mean like asymmetrical balance is always going to happen, but that’s just ridiculous. Also, the issue that they always take the lowest RPM listed for German SMGs but give the highest to Soviet SMGs. The one documentation I found on the Uragan (actually not it’s name - it was called the Hurricane) was 500 rpm, just like the MP 40.
But no, that wouldn’t float (PPS-43 could’ve been uptiered). We need 3 SMGs that do literally the same thing just reskinned that punch way above their BR because Soviet bias.
i wish more player would remember that, when balancing German Russian balance you cant just buff Germany. I f you buff Germany you have to Buff US, buff US buff Japan its a lot more work than just asking to nerf Russia. like the people who want to drop the g43 to br3, sorry but no, not unless we get a johnson sport mag fed instead of the 1941 stripper clip we have now.
Garand reloads in sub 3.0 seconds. Gewehr 43 reloads sub 2.5 seconds, but it can be nerfed to reload slower and have less damage / accuracy. It wouldn’t be too unfair.
sorry but bayonet is not worth 2 bullets per magazine, bows sorry i decline
but it can be nerfed to reload slower and have less damage / accuracy.
damage unless it takes more shots to down/kill damage changes are meaningless
there semi autos they have among the best dispersion so no
as for reload it would have to be worse then the garand over 3.5 under 4 seconds
I’m not against a mag fed Johnson. Just I think it’s too much effort for the devs, and what I’m suggesting can be easily done if they feel like it.
That is literally Type 4 and Gewehr 41 reload just around the corner (4.5 seconds). And yet the SVT 38 gets to keep 2.6 second reload? It would literally negate the need for the Gewehr 43 (I would take Gewehr 41 because bayonet, interruptable reload, and in my opinion, nicer sights).
The G41 and Type 4 should realistically have Johnson reload speed. Or slightly slower to acknowledge the faster tubular magazine reloader it had in real life. But not by much.
M21/28 has much better dmg, better relaod speed, mediocre rof, amazing recoil much lower than Kiraly and much much lower dispersion and very crucial visual recoil that is also lower, so how it’s worse than Kiraly?
It’s superior than Kiraly, i don’t care about 10 more rounds when my 30 rounds will hit more often than Kiraly and you can actually hit headshots pretty nicely, while Kiraly struggles hard.
Armor of American tanks is irrelevant as your Crusader cannon will pen any German tank at BR2-3 as it has 122mm of pen. M8 Scott has amazing heat shells plus 50 cal. I can spam 3 of them and it’s devastating vs enemy infantry and tanks. You can’t spam anything that is as quickly and as destructive as them as panzers are way too slow. 50mm of Germany sucks they are only good vs uptiers, their HE is a joke vs American long 57mm/short 75mm. After they took away pz3n from BR2 there are zero reason to play as BR2 Germany anymore. None of their BR2 tanks have any armor.
And no 4E has 30mm of armor so stop lying. F1 has 50mm of turret armor but there are not a single tank that can’t pen it’s irrelevant thin armor. 30 or 50mm? there are no difference you need at least 75mm to resist shells.
wrong and objectively a lie
Again you don’t understand goal of those weapons, none of you do. American BAR is pretty much like FG42 that is vastly superior in real matches to MG34, much faster ADS speed, amazing sprint speed and great weapon handling you always use it to storm points and flank enemies with it’s superior to SMGs dmg, while MG34 is ultra bulky, slow to ADS, behaves awfully when moving, slow to reload it’s bad at attacking and can be only used effectively at defense (aka you lose the match 50% of the time)
7.9 to 8.2 is a difference without meaning
stop presenting youre ‘data’ mined dispersion rates as fact
the guns have semi and full auto even if correct youre data could be for semi auto
and if you think the bar is best br3 mg and mg34 thats a skill issue not a game issue
as for the garand johnson combo thats an exploit not a game feature
besides the g41 g43 combo you want to create would be unfair as well
Good thing that they only keep on buffing Soviets and Americans so it’s time to overbuff Germany as they’ve been neglected for past 2 years (at least at around BR2-3). M38/42 buff was just correction to have real stats not a massive buff as anyone expected. Same can be said about FG42 it was just correction to have same values as irl weapon. And FG42 II still suffer vs body armor and Soviets just received AVT-40 20 that is easier to use than FG42 II due lower rof. So what buff are we talking about?
You’re questioning a helper? It was created by euthymia. I’ll link the post to the data sheet.
Both have different uses. Yes, you can attack / defend with both quite well, but most of the time you will be on the offensive (attacking objectives, pushing players back from the grey zone if defending). The BAR is better in this scenario (and most cases in Enlisted).
I don’t use combo weapons ever. I only use the backpack because I find that more effective for me. But as long as G41 gets buffed, I will be happy.
The FG 42 “buff” was a change no one asked for. It made the FG 42 even worse, and the decision to use the FG 42 II instead even easier. Now you will only see the FG 42 II. They should’ve added a bayonet or made some other meaningful change instead to differentiate the two.
In fact, I would’ve preferred a FG 42 with same fire rate, but with the bayonet instead. AVT and AVS both have bayonets (right, I’m only in BR IV so I’ve only encountered them or picked them up). It would’ve been much more meaningful than increasing RPM to unusable territory.
Oh so we will arguing that it’s not real? Mate if it’s not real then it’s only in your head. Kiraly is inferior weapon that can’t handle shooting for more than 2 secs, dispersion makes it a garbage smg. So where are you stats and counter argument rather than “don’t use it, cuz don’t ok?”. I will keep presenting the data because data is always right and you are wrong.
no it won’t, it always uses data for automatic especially for smg and mg
lmao what a joker. I’m loving destroying you Germans carrying your bulky MG34 with my BAR and always proving you wrong every single match. But anyway thank for your gun i will be using it once i ran out of my rounds in my BAR.
Oh really so when are you going to ban thousands of players? Secondary wepaons were always a game feature, everyone can carry two weapons once you unlock them as your skill. It’s your inability to use what game provides to you.
that’s the point, unfair vs unfair. That’s what players want but shame that it’s only American and Soviet players that want to keep unfair things given to them but when Germans demand a fair same treatment then you see booos. So we either keep it fair and give Germany some new toys + buffs or remove/nerf your guns.
It seems like it was just excuse to give soviets Avt-40 20 that is in my opinion a better weapon than FG42 II. More rof is never better past 750 rpm when it’s paired with worse dispersion and recoil direction.
