Banish the m1a1 to br3

The idea to make the m1a1 br2 was terrible in my opinion, for example here is the a good example of a br2 Thompson:
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The USMC Thompson has been competitive since I bought it in the Pacific and it still is powerful at br2. The great time to kill and good recoil control is balanced by a small magazine.

Vs a OP br2 Thompson
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the m1a1 has similar recoil control but with a more reasonable rpm it is way better, not to mention it’s 30 round mag.

So I suggest:
•either put the m1a1 at br3 again or modify the assets model to be a 20 round magazine:
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Tbh, i dont really feel the impact of m1a1 thompson at br 2

I swear, its velocity makes it shit at mid to long range

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Also, ive squad wiped way more with lancaster than the thompson. Lancaster feels way more snappy than m1a1 thompson.

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Yes all 30 round Thompson’s belong at br3 not br2 or br4, it’s too strong for br2 and it’s too weak for br4

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Yeah the M1A1 Thompson is the best SMG in BR2 in my opinion. But its pretty fun to use so why nerf it xD

Because its too good for br2 and there are no 30 round 45acp Thompson at br2 besides the m1a1

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again either keep thompsons at br 2 3 4 5 or move all 30 round thompsons to br3
either 30 round thompsons are good from br 2 to br 4 or they should all be at br3

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H/V ratio of M1A1 and USMC is 0.38 vs 0.25, lower is better
Cause H reocil in this game affect random recoil offset in all direction
You would rather have high V recoil than H recoil, cause the first one is predictable

I can’t win with my level two Allies no matter what weapons I carry. :rofl: I have excellent squads, yet Level two Allies is the only Allied level that I cannot win in, so I rarely play it.

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What BR2 smg isn’t shit at mid to long range? Who TF is even using SMGs for mid to long range? How is that relevant in any meaningful way?


The facts are simply. This SMGs powercrept so many interesting US BR2 SMGs into total oblivion.

It totally ruined any sense of balance in BR2. Totally killed the vibe BR2 used to have.

every SMG in my mind is better at 10-50 meters range combat than any semi auto rifle, 100 meters is another story

Please, this needs to be changed, look its bad enough the soviets have broken shit, its just unfun as the allies to also have broken shit, BR3 or a 20rnd mag, Id much rather the 20rnd mag I should mention.

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YES YES YES YES YES!!! I HATE THIS GUN SO MUCH!!! When I play Japan This gun is beyond unfair!

Nah keep it at BR2 compensate the laking of the early American SMG, plus theres already too many Thomson Variants in BR3

Darkflow can just downrtier the 21/28 to BR III and folder it with the 1928A1 variant. That just leaves the M1A1 and M1 on their own.

I actually like the M3A1 Grease Gun. People don’t give it enough credit. Just remember it’s better than the FNAB in both fire rate and damage . . .

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Final nail to the German problem. I will never play them ever again once yet another superior smg gets downtiered to BR3 while Germany not getting anything new and useful there.

What’s the point of even using Germany when Americans have superior lmgs, tanks, planes, semis (2 of them) and also now smgs. BR2 GER is even weaker they are the weakest in the game they may as well be BR1.

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If they buff the fire rate of the MP35/I to 630 rpm and lower the recoil, it would become a formidable SMG for BR III. The Beretta M38 with the 40 round is also a great SMG. They may not be the bullet noses that are Allied and Soviet SMGs, but they offer a good compromise.

Admittedly, all the MP35/I really needs is some serious recoil reduction. It has good killing capability, it’s just hindered too greatly for it to be effective.

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Bull the kiraly is the best smg at br4 it has 40 rounds same damage and rof as the 21/28, no bs about data mined dispersion
Br 2 allied tanks
Grant/Lee good armor but casemate 75 turret 37mm 50mm armor
Scott 75mm gun 30mm armor
Crusader 57mm gun 20mm armor
Br2 axis
234 30mm armor 50mm gun
3j 50mm armor 50mm gun
4e turret 75m gun 50m armor

Br2 Germans better tanks

Br2 mgs ok allied get 30 rounds
Axis 2 20s and a 25
But br3 4 mgs allies drop to 20 rounds while germane jumps to 50

Not going to go br by be but you are full of itdreg

Don’t be too hard on him. He’s looking at it from the perspective of Soviets vs Germans. It’s hard to balance when a faction faces 2 other factions, that aren’t equal in power.

Soviets in comparison:

BR II

SMGs

  • SMG that does 750 rpm and holds 32 rounds
  • German equivalent does 550rpm and holds 40 rounds

Rifles

  • Semi auto that does 12.7 damage and reloads in less than 2.5 seconds
  • German equivalent does 11.3 damage and reloads in over 3 seconds
  • Fastest bolting rifles are par on par (Winchester does more damage)

MGs

  • MGs are fairly equal, both holding 25 rounds
  • ZB 26 does 700 rpm, but is useless with a 20 round mag
  • Breda and Madsen are pretty equal
  • MG 13 may be slightly better, but is ok with Soviet SMG strength

Tanks

  • Every tank is capable of penning every German tank from side / front, even angled
  • Has 76mm howitzer just like US and Germany
  • Armour can surpass 40mm
  • All come with APHE / explosive filler
  • German tanks have 50mm armour on the front, but sub 30mm on the sides
  • Once any angling is involved, German tanks fail to pen, especially T50
  • T50 has two MGs, same as T28 - German tanks only have one
  • Soviet tanks are at the advantage

BR III

SMGs

  • The gap widens, with a SMG capable of 1000rpm and 35 rounds with rifle dispersion
  • Best SMG has 700 rpm and only 30 rounds with cramped sights

Rifles

  • SVT 38 is the only magazine reloaded semi auto in BR III, and is faster than even the M1 Garand
  • Has less recoil and is more accurate to boot than Gewehr 41
  • VG 1-5 exists, but isn’t the greatest substitute for all scenarios

MGs

  • German MGs hold 50 rounds and fire 800 rpm
  • Soviet MGs hold 47 rounds and fire 550 rpm
  • Both are as effective as each other (MG 34 at disadvantage as it requires horizontal recoil and can only burst fire for maximum effeciency, whereas DP-27 can just spray).

Tanks

  • Disadvantage continues, with more angled armour and even more powerful cannons from Soviets
  • Germans still retain the really armour hull, but hardly armoured turret and sides
  • KV-1 exists, bane of all German existance (AT weapon and Tank hell)
  • Soviets still hold advantage

Americans arguably are the most disadvantaged at BR II, but Germans take the crown for BR III

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