AVS early for 20 rounds

So, there is a evidence 100% of 20 rounds capacity magazines for AVS early versions. Also it written in AVS-36 manual as a description.





What do you think about make more choice?

Model 20/1. 7.62 mm automatic rifle “ABC” designed by Simonov model 1931. The rifle works on the principle of powder gases. Locking wedge-type Bergman machine gun. Gas piston is located on top of the barrel, firing device of the striker type. There is a translator for automatic and single shooting. Inserted magazine for 10 and 20 rounds. Sight sector, bayonet blade. Experimental model.

The main characteristics of the rifle:

rifle length without 1130 mm;
weight of the rifle without a magazine and a bayonet 3.86 kg; the length of the bolt stroke 140 mm

Model 21 /1. 7.62 mm automatic rifle “ABC” designed by Simonov model 1931.

As the previous (see model 20/1), the rifle with the removal of gunpowder gases. Gas piston is located at the top of the barrel, the bolt is rectangular, the firing device of the striker type, locking - wedge. Sight sector. Bayonet blade. There is a translator of automatic and single fire. The magazine is inserted for 10 and 20 rounds. The rifle differs from the previous rifle by some design changes.

The rifle was developed by BNK and S. The main developer is S. G. Simonov.

Source: inv. No. 29, p. 62; No. 769, p. 124.

And some more good things:


25 rounds

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Do you mean more copy paste?

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You wrong, my friend. Because if you look carefully at the photos of the weapon, you will see a lot of changes between AVS early and avs-36

A lot more than just a magazine.

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I mean I like it, I just dont know where it fits in the TT.

Maybe as a high recoil old-stats AVS but set to semi auto first mode it could work in BR4? Since BR4 is being emptied from Semi auto rifles currently?

Otherwise if in BR5 Id prefer an event squad/weapon or a premium squad equipped with it. :+1:

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Yeah some event squad for a 9 soldiers sounds cool

And probably it can comes with longer reload time in TT

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Okay, that’s fair.

But I don’t think it needs to be TT. Just make it event or BP reward.

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The book “SOTILASKÄSIASEET SUOMESSA 1918—1988” provides a comparison of the AVS 35 and AVS 36. It says that a pilot batch of about 400 rifles was made, and among the differences from the AVS 36 is a different magazine. Although, what is rather strange, in the same book there are photos of the AVS 35 and AVS 36 with magazines, and visually the magazines are impossible to distinguish, most likely the differences were only in the magazine coupling system.
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Also looks like there is a line of wielding - improve 20 rounds mag for a 25, don’t you think

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In this case, this is not entirely correct, because this 25-round magazine most likely could not be used on the AVS 36, only on very early prototypes.

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I mean this is looks like 20 rounds mag wielded to 25

I mean, the AVS 35 could use 15-round magazines. I just wanted to point out that, other than a different clutch system, the magazines shouldn’t be any different, and in the case of a 20-round magazine, it should just be bigger.

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Um… Well, these are essentially the same magazines, just different sizes, it wouldn’t make sense to make different magazines each time. Even Tokarev used Simonov’s magazine in his 1934 rifle.

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Interesting, maybe you got some links about that information and a photo just for fun to place it here

“Самозарядные и автоматические винтовки Токарева” | Чумак Руслан Николаевич

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I think I so one of Tokarev 1934 prototypes in Kovrov`s encyclopedy

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1-4. CARABINES
Shortened and lightened rifles, which were usually used to arm cavalry and special branches of the armed forces, are called carbines.
Automatic carbines differ from automatic rifles essentially in that they have a shorter barrel and, therefore, somewhat lower ballistic qualities. Self-loading carbines were developed for both the pistol cartridge and the 1943 cartridge.
Sample 53/1. 7.62 mm self-loading carbine with powder gases and turning behind
the bolt, developed under the regular rifle cartridge. The prototype of 1934.
The carbine was developed in the ONK and S on an initiative basis by V. A. Degtyarev.
Source: inv. No 774 f. 301; No 619 p. 54.

Ok I got it

So as we found - that is a 20 rounds magazine for AVS. Maybe one fully pruffed photo in whole world. Bless you