Are you pro-merge, anti-merge, or neutral?

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I don’t know why you take it so personal, this is just how it is.

It’s not even a different playstyle, compared to WT or WoT, it’s just a worse version but very slightly faster.

Sure, you can pick whatever you want, but again, this approach is by far in the minority.
Going into a Puma when you can get a Tiger out, makes it not just harder on your team but on yourself and the majority of people find this frustrating.
The people that have no choice but to pick the Puma, because of their low level included.
Generally speaking, nobody has fun not being able to Pen anything and get absolutely dunked on by max tier vehicles and denying that is just cope.

There is a reason Battlerating in WarThunder exist for example.
Again: Yes you can try to drive 2.7 or so in 6.0 in WarThunder, but the people that actively do it because they have fun with it, are by far the exception, and again make it harder on their team as a result.

You can say “I don’t care about that” if you want, but this is just the reality of the situation.

Yes, the majority of people get frustrated when they can’t do anything with their tank such as the Stuart in Normandie, and then to the latest tank that can pen and/or bounce the most shots.
The difference between Tanks and overall Guns is, that Guns in general have Pros and Cons you switch between, while Tanks are just classified “worse version of V that can’t fight X,Y,Z” because of it.

Bolt actions technically have the lowest TTK with Semis having slightly less accuracy on the move and less range, while Autos can be very forgiving when you miss your opening shot.

There is no “best Gun” (at least generally speaking), that you literally can’t do anything against.
Even in the worst case: half of the SMGs are just “worse version of” as well, but that never means that you can’t damage the other guy in front of you anymore while blocking everyone else from playing the class that is key for advancing or holding on certain spots.

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nah.

i’m not taking it personal.

i’m just bothered by the meta fellas that needs everything " up to date " / latter equipment just to compete.

it’s not about efficency.

and you can’t expect nor pretend everyone to do the same.

heck, i’d argue that shouldn’t be the case at all.

just play whatever the hell you want.

and not to make your game easy ( more than it already is )

personally. i don’t really care if you full meta and what not.

but for you to sit around and tells others that they are trolls it’s quite a bold statement.

it doesn’t really matter.

if he likes, he should use it.

there’s a distinction between having a personal challenge, and making your self one while complaining.

believe it or not. unironically i have tigers, panthers but i (would) still use the puma.
( don’t use it lately because i haven’t touched normandy nor planning to ) in the merge though, it’s gonna be great.

that is correct.

and hopefully, that said merge would prevent that.

which you’re missing the point.

i get the feeling you’re one of those " perfect stats " / meta gloryhound.
which. you do you.

what i’m saying is, people do, and should pick whatever they want even if not effective.

the " 0 reasons " feels like it’s just that you don’t get it, and don’t play enlisted for fun.
rather, almost as a job.

call it trolling, ( which… idk how can you even claim that ) i call it having fun doing things my way.
and i don’t ask people to suit up to my play-style matching my equipment.
but i don’t see why you should expect me to fully use the top / best vehicle or weapons just because you think that?

you shouldn’t actively chase the optimal stats or " best x / y / z ".
but play for fun.

making the averange casual match an full meta / competitive thing you’re just hurting the game and making it less enjoyable for everyone involved.

especially the casuals.

now, by any means, i’m not casual. and i get the saying of casuals shouldn’t dictated the game. but retaining both veterans and casuals should be something of the utmost importance.

P.s. and i don’t mind " pulling my weight " when needed.
especially in berlin where it’s mostly full autos and what not.

i can still have my own fun with bolties and remain effective with it. ( heck, i grinded majority of berlin with just the basic volkssturm squads that you get from the beginning )

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This depicts perfectly how emotionally personal you took everything, and still take it.

I just pointed out that it is really frustrating for players to be forced to play Pz2s vs T34s in Moscow for example.

It is frustrating for them, since they can’t do anything against any tank in the game and they can do less against inf as well.
It’s frustrating for the team, cause someone is locking away the only 1 or 2 tankspots with stuff that has no use for it, and whether you like it or not, people will care.
This is why every tank game in existence has a Battlerating system, because people in general don’t like the feeling of being absolutely hammered on by cold war tanks in their ww1 noodle, despite of you saying that “people overall dont care cause it can be fun somehow”.

If people wouldn’t care about the game they play at all, they wouldn’t play it.
It is a frustrating experience.

That doesn’t mean that everyone is ultra competitive min/maxing perks and blaming people for every loadout decision, but denying that battlerating in a tankgame has use and people find it frustrating to not be able to do anything in their low tier vehicle compared to the latest one you can’t unlock, is quite frankly completely delusional.

And I hope you understand why drawing an analogy to guns in this game overall doesn’t work.

This is how it is and this is literally one of the big reasons they implement battlerating in the first place.
How you handle it is your thing.

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this has nothing to do with the point that you brought up.

you did, i didn’t.

it has nothing to do how i feel lol.

which once again.

i’m pointing you out, that not everyone needs meta. nor the majority should follow.

what matters in a game, is having fun with it.

looks like that isn’t the case for you.

which, following just meta, eventually, people will get bored of it.

but it’s up to them not you or me.

just don’t expect everyone to follow it lol.

Edit. you would be right that technically, meta allows you to gain more xps, gets more stuff etc.

but it’s not a criteria or a standard that clearly everyone follows. nor, again, should be one that should be followed like the bible or something.

it would just make the game miserable. ( especially like it will be in the merge for latter tiers. )

the good thing about enlisted is that you have a mix of players and what not.
as long they have fun, i think that’s what matters the most.

which involves both using metas and non.
but the choise is what matters. as well as the ability to have it and use it.

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KVs should in no way be supperior to Panzer IV F2, thus it has no right to fight tigers and panthers.

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This has everything to do with what I was typing.

Right now, since there is no BR, if you want to have impact on the game and not locked out of the tankrole by other Max Tier tanks, you are pretty much forced to play Max Tier tanks or get dunked on.

This has nothing to do with “META” but a base concept of playability.
You are pretty much forced to by the game itself, in the system we have right now, since otherwise “read opening lines above.”

People overall care about this type of stuff.
You don’t see people running around with knifes only cause it’s fun for them, or 9.0 BR in WarThunder with tons of 2.0 vehicles.
This just doesn’t happen.
Not cause “everyone plays meta”, but because it’s not playable and frustrating cause you force yourself into a situation of pure (or close to) unplayability.

It’s frustrating for you and frustrating to your team.

I really don’t know what is so increadibly hard to understand and controvercial about this.

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I disagree, since you’ll end up more often just farming infantry than being locked in tank vs tank combat.

According to your logic, flamer tanks in Stalingrad aren’t fun nor efficient because they cant kill KV.

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I decided to do my 3 games on test server tonight…all mk13s and panzer f2…nothing higher lol…

Didnt see a russian tank.

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What’s that?

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the next step from mk12, one below mk14.

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Bah…A13 mk II

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I have no clue honestly lol.

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A13?

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Ooooh, thank you :purple_heart:

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except… once again.

it does not.

having an hard time to keep track of what you type?

you seem to fail to realize one of the most important aspect of enlisted.

it gives you the ability to do ( almost ) all what you want.

for starter, to get this out of the way, it’s kinda the reason why the merge exist in the first place.

isn’t it?

dunno why you keep bringing that up as a " factual " when there are mixed reports from it even within this forum.
some people hate the merge because divide diversity and the ability to use m5s against tigers ( i’m not kidding .you can look that up )

and others praise it because it will ( in theory ) bring everything somewhat on a even plain field.
where most likely, no tigers against m5s.

but i never bringed that up.
you did.

perhaps you must confused me for someone else?.

or perhaps you’re trying to understand my position.

if it matters anything, i don’t have an opinion on it.
i’m mostly neutral.

but i think was necessary for better or worse.

yes, but actually no.

because the only reason why “our” discussion started, it’s because you don’t fully understand that people have preferences, and not everyone is a meta gloryhound.

which the game does not force you to equip your weapons fully with automatic.

the only one forcing things on their own equipment, is them selves.

i beg to differ.

people doesn’t give a shit about that.

because normal people, in a normal game… or rather, casual game ( as after all. enlisted is nothing but a casual game. your or mine inpact on a battle is pretty much irrelevant. you win some, you lose some. but in the end, always move on to the next match. and… sure, we have rankings on the profile. but those are meaningless too because everyone gets it as long they keep playing )

that’s what happens.

i don’t claim to be the majority, but i see everyday people that are fully end level and still plays with all sort of weapons from starter and mid tiers, despite being top tier.

because people are more interested in fun.

i’d argue the minority, is the ones who only wants to have fully optimal / flawless squads and what not.

which leads into a spiral of others joining because of the frustration caused by those individuals.

but the foundamental problem is not in the frustration ( al be it, part of it is )

but people like you who struggles to understand that not everyone is like you.
nor wants to play the way you do.

it’s that simple really.

p.s. i would like to remind you that meta will always play out the same way and make things boring.
even the morst hardcore player will get bored and move on to do the same thing onto another title.

if anything, meta stuff should be limited through how many you can use, and cooldowns before being able to reuse it.

enlisted should have been a more tactical / strategic game of where you should focus more on the use of your resrouches than just brainless rush with the most full meta as possible to fight over 1 meter of objective. but i digress.

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im afraid thats not my personal experience in this, or any multiplayer game since the birth of the multiplayer games. there are always the outliers that max enhance low profile gear,but majority of people naturally trends towards improving the end game equipment, mostly based on efficiency of resources spent.

when the gear requires further expenditure of resources to get it to its best state, players naturally, and logically, tend to keep those resources to enhance the best and most expensive/hard to get gear available.

to put it in mmorpg terms, very high majority of players tend to not max enchant gear that is not BiS, if you understand my example. the max enchants, the most expensive upgrades, always goes and is saved for the best base equipment it can be spent on.

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Salt

How is it trolling. I am helping the team one way or the other.

The Puma can still fight infantry. And given that vehicles are constantly getting destroyed chances are eventually lighter vehicles will spawn where you’ll be able to fight them. And even then the Puma can still take on various Allied vehicles. Not everything is about frontal pen xD lmao one shot

I know it goes without saying, but the vehicle system is balanced by the enemy’s job to destroy them. It’s like in Stalingrad I have matches where there’s an endless cycle of T-70s, KVs, and T-34s. Your team spawns this, enemy destroys it, your team spawns that, so on and so fourth

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Now since we’re all debating vehicle performance and damage, let’s take a hypothetical look at halftracks

Half tracks for all intents and purposes are basically a light tank. No matter what armaments they have, flamethrower, mortar, assault guns, AT guns, AA guns, etc; they are all weakly armored. They can be taken out by pretty much anything

Now what does that mean, we wouldn’t be able to use half tracks in “late game” all because the enemy can easily destroy them. Then what’s the point of half tracks then

That’s why I say all this BR stuff is convoluted and leaning towards bad. I say play as whatever you want (as long as it’s not a time traveling King Tiger)

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Agree, I very often still use a Panzer III in Normandy because its very great in infantry support and since there is no point in using Panzer IVs since both are equally bad against Jumbos.

Also fast driving Stuards with with their top mounted MGs are very potent - you just have to avoid the enemy tanks.

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if it doesn’t nullify the progress, the customization, the skins, the upgrades, the perks and doesn’t overshadow other factions pros or cons I also personally think it will be an epic disaster for the game I think it was fine there’s this habit of modifying proven aspects that work well while you don’t fix other things that should be fixed but you tend to ruin the experience further