Are you Pro Merge, Anti-Merge, or Neutral? (Let's review)

[SheepleRnutz]

43 days ago, @AlexMason66 created a thread about Today’s Merge:
If you participated in the thread, then you probably remember the discussions. But if not, here’s the link for a quick reference.

Are you pro-merge, anti-merge, or neutral?

Personally I’m pro-merge since for multiple reasons: Merge will create a balanced match with BR: No more M5 stuart against Tiger I, AB41 against Sherman II, etc. I can’t test this in test server since BR hasn’t been implemented yet. No more unlocking same guns/vehicle: You won’t have to unlock MP40 on 5 different campaign. Hopefully it will solve the player base issue from splitting them into 6 different campaign with 12 different factions into just 4 factions with variable battle ratings aka …

Here was my original take, on what I expected to happen. Feel free to add your own perspective and experiences (after playing the new update), regarding this major change to the game. Are you going to continue playing, or will you abandon entirely (and start playing something else)?

@SheepleRnutz

For me, The Merge is like creating a new game that will be similar, but unlike the Enlisted we all know and have a lot of experience with.

As someone who has been playing the game for more than two years, and have played over 3,800 completed matches, I pretty much have all the gear, weapons, soldiers, and vehicles all maxed out with the best stuff. Unless the developers introduce a lot of new content, the whole currency change/price changes are not really going to make much of a difference to the people who have been around for awhile.

But for new players, and everyone who has not maxed out their campaigns… It’s a different story. Of which, from my perspective, I think the new currency system is going to be a major turn-off that deters people away from the game entirely (takes too long to acquire enough credits to make the needed purchases).

Personally, I think The Merge is going to be a disaster, but I’m neutral on the matter. Just waiting and seeing how it all plays out. If I end up losing squads and vehicles that I’ve already unlocked, then I’ll probably stop playing entirely.

If I’m not refunded the full amount for the squad slots I purchased, then I’ll probably quit entirely. Nor am I interested in wasting my time reporting “lost purchases” to customer service department. Once the merge is implemented, it needs to be flawless. Why the hell should hundreds or thousands of players be forced to report lost purchases, due to incompetency? In other words, there’s a lot on the line for Dark Flow to implement this BIG CHANGE without sabotaging their own game (and more than a year’s worth of hard work).

And if we can get past everything I’ve described above, the next assessment will be the quality of gameplay (which will determine whether I stick around or quit entirely).
-If matches consist of ENDLESS paratrooper spamming, then I’m DONE.
-If matches are consistently unbalanced, then there’s no reason to stick around anylonger.
-If matches are full of bugs due to a sloppy release, then we can expect nuclear fallout with mass casualties to the player-base.

But I hope it all works out! Dark Flow may have done better with releasing a separate game with all of these new mechanics, and keeping Enlisted the way it is (but with different types of changes to improve quality of gameplay).

[CaptainSebekel]

I love it when people call themself neutral but say in the same text negative/ positive words about the topic.

[Josephs_Piano]

I only played the 1st playtest - it took so long to download and was so confusing and short I didn’t see any way I could make a meaningful contribution to the subsequent ones, that were also very short.

And the fact that this has had only 8 or so days of what was pretty much “Alpha” testing really shows.

It is a disaster.

Count me as anti.

[SilentHaven]

I would have been pro merge…if they had taken the time to do it right.

They implemented it awfully.

My concern is how they handled the Battle Rating system.

The system encourages players to play either entirely BR 2 or BR 5…playing anything in between just puts you at a massive disadvantage.

BR3 only rarely gets to fight BR 1-2. The vast majority of the time it is fighting BR 5. Making you wish you simply loaded out with your premium squads instead.

I feel sorry for any new players. They will feel nothing but pain trying to get out of BR 2…They will have to grind out tier 3 without actually using any of it.

[Brrady]

Not a fan.

I am cool with the tech tree thing, but not with the death of the campaigns, and the match making thing as it stands now, especially since you are likely to meet player two levels different from you, kind of makes the point of doing this in the first place… pointless???

I never though we really needed a leveling tool anyway, it’s not the gun it’s the guy using it 90% of the time.

[emp_zealoth]

Currently unplayable. BR of tons of things is a JOKE, not that it matters, since every single match I had was against germany full of premium squads loaded to the gills with BR5 stuff. Squad management is a NIGHTMARE, inventory is a NIGHTMARE, fighting Italians in Stalingrad is a NIGHTMARE. Watching T-60s be obliterated by Tiger 2s was pretty funny tbh. Desert camo tanks in green hills. Shooting down an FW190 A-8 in a 1941 IL2 was also hilarious (the first time). Turbo stacking, now every match felt like the worst of recent Berlin. Overall its a horrific mess.

(the only decent thing is the research tree, but i honestly cannot understand why it couldn’t be used with just keeping de-bloated campaign squad presets and merged axis/allies queue)

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

Meet the new Enlisted!

well, merge is upon us. so, once again, i’ll give my feedbacks. i’ll try to stay as objective as possible. but i’m gonna be honest, kinda difficult. my gripes are taking over xd. anyway, here are my few cents. things i like the merge & all the goodies ( allowing to unlock stuff that we weren’t able to b4. and run with countless new combinations ) new event new ai changes ( even though, could use some improvements ) reintroduction of older vehicles in the editor as well as the moo…

inspite of my feedback, ( which seems a rant )

i’m still neutral and somewhat have positives so far. outside few matches, but again, it remains in those matches.

would be leaning on the positive, if it wasn’t for the customs being untouched.

so it’s a meh.

it’s good, but could have been much better.

if anything that clicks, should be br 3 not having to go above and beyond, customization and customs.

for the rest, pretty much what one would expect.

[CaptainSebekel]

@ErikaKalkbrenner

would be leaning on the positive, if it wasn’t for the customs being untouched.

That should have been tested instead of BR changes only in the last test I guess.

[SheepleRnutz]

@CaptainSebekel

love it when people call themself neutral but say in the same text negative/ positive words

Maybe a person claims neutral, because they do not want to judge the final product (before it’s released), when there’s no way of knowing if it’s going to be a success or failure

Hope for the best, expect the worst. It’s a win-win in the context of never being disappointed lol

[CaptainSebekel]

@SheepleRnutz

Maybe a person claims neutral, because they do not want to judge the final product (before it’s released), when there’s no way of knowing if it’s going to be a success or failure

“Personally, I think The Merge is going to be a disaster, but I’m neutral on the matter.”

Be honest, you made your decision a long time ago and thats fine.

Im neutral, but I think we should invade Luxembourg.

[SheepleRnutz]

@CaptainSebekel

Be honest, you made your decision a logn time ago and thats gine.

Honestly, I knew it was going to be a disaster, but I thought the developers might surprise us (after taking a year+, to roll this thing out). Glad I haven’t spent any money on this game, since they introduced the Pacific campaign.

[CaptainSebekel]

Smart man indeed. Pacific was boring.

[GasMasters]

Anti, you can go against KV1s and panzer 4s in ab41s and t26s, and just encourages you to never play anything below teir 4 again because of the amount you get stomped by higher teir players and you don’t have counters

[GiltBurrito7238]

Good

• keeping as many players together as possible in a single match maker
• not having to unlock things multiple times
• increased chance of vehicles (more players = more vehicles) (how many times you’ve been a fighter but there’s never any enemy planes)
• theoretically increased variety of content (such as Moscow vehicles in Stalingrad, King Tigers in Normandy)
• completely full matches

Bad

• historical hiccups and things that break atmosphere (Panthers in Stalingrad, Italian paratroopers in Normandy and Berlin, time traveling FG 42s and Gewehr 43 in early battles, in general things that are appearing where they should not be)

[AdRock2621]

Overall, 7/10.

Matchmaking is much better, I mostly played on T3 to see how getting uptier/downtier would work. And at least in my experience, it went pretty good. I didn’t feel like I was terribly advantaged or disadvantaged. Even when getting uptiered, it felt a lot better since I actually had human players.

Speaking of, woah. Was consistently getting into matches in less than five seconds. Longest it took was 30 seconds.

BR is okay too. It’s far from perfect, there’s a lot of stuff that’s in the wrong spot. A few examples:
OG43 is T4 when really it should be 2 or 3
KV1 should be T3 until it can actually be reasonably dealt with.
M4A2 is T3 but British Sherman is T4, therefore excluding it from Tunisia?
And lots of weapons make others useless, for example STG and MKB are both T5, but why would I ever touch the MKB after getting the STG?
Theres other stuff but that’s just what came to mind.

My biggest problem is that British and Italians aren’t in a seperate tree. I find it rather lazy since there’s plenty of stuff to make tech trees for both of them, it clutters the tech tree, and we can’t buy soldiers for them either.

[AdRock2621]

It was really fun the first month or so, but then it died and just turned into a bot farm for Axis (and then later Allies)

[Bigote0070]

@Bigote0070

I will give my opinion and try to stay away from all biases. The merge was necessary because we have already discussed that expanding more campaigns in the old format would simply create more bot farms (And it’s impossible to deny, everyone remembers Tunisia before the Italian paratroopers).

Many people did not catch up to find out what was going to happen (even if the news of the merger is almost a year old). The current BR system will not work in the most optimal way possible due to the simple fact of the lack of Mid War 43 and 44 maps, as well as some weapon locks that players would like to force the system and thus indirectly be able to choose a campaign. To complement this system and make it work in the most optimal way, more campaigns are needed. As for me, I will continue playing the game and creating sound mods for the weapons I like so much.

Regarding immersion, it is really a very subjective matter that depends on each player’s bias. From my experience since 2020, I really have no problem being thrown into a random map. I enjoy playing in the most varied way possible. Some don’t like that and just want to play a campaign, which is understandable. The expansion for custom games should have been launched simultaneously. More work is needed, although I don’t think it’s the end of the world as some claim.

The next step should focus on expanding historical rules for custom games. In my opinion, events with historical rules (such as the leaderboard fight) should be just as frequent as the current events.

I believe that the merger was something that had to happen, it was not done as many wanted, and many others did not even take the trouble to read what was announced 1 year ago, the system is quite imperfect and I believe that from the beginning it was The test server should have been done on the main server for decision making with a broader spectrum

the system need more maps mid 43 and 44 on east front

I was playing in Tier V with Tier 1 weapons and I had a lot of fun, it was a defense to the limit (I voluntarily forced the system)

but the game still fun, i dont stop playing this game

[Dregomz]

I dislike it. Every match now is a stomp or a long stalemate with boring defense like we have with Tunisian caves

Low BR is more dead than expected with sub 10 min stomps, BR3 will send you into Stalingrad against Tiger E (nice Historical authenticity and realism) or to stomp newbies even faster, and BR4-5 is full of “esport athletes” + cheaters that compete for a grand cup of Enlisted with reward of 0 dollars.

Game is not fun no matter the BR it’s either too damn easy or too damn hard nothing in between (stomp or be stomped), not giving us one additional BR was a mistake at least BR3 would fight vs BR4 and not against BR1 or BR5.

Gameplay have completely changed and it was obvious that game was not designed for a full lobbies now it’s way too campy and flanky you need five eyes to spot all enemies all around you, playing as a tank in post-merge world is just a suicide mission.

If i die while protecting the point it will be almost completely captured it’s like game is played at the double speed with all those players that are on amphetamine.

Obviously they couldn’t sustain game with campaign system but they could realize merge a bit differently than we currently have, and as infantry just crossing a street is asking for yet another death into your KDR stats.

[Adamnpee]

I love when people tries to to prove their point with one single screenshot. Presenting it like it is something very common.

[Isog_Sargent]

What the hell is going on here? What happened to the game? I log in and suddenly none of the maps are there and all my hard work getting better is taken away. Is this even the same game? Does anyone know what’s going on?