APC & Bike Gold Order versions & Keep the full tent versions

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

a bit of context.

small suggestion.

and, as usual, not really a priority.

however i feel like due to the work that has been putted behind, it should stay in the game and be an option. plus, a few ideas on my own.

so, to starter, colors decals and anything will be up to devs. those are optional suggest.
my main goal is to keep the fully tent version while offering to “ease” the grind or the costs of upgrading while retaining some historical vehicles ( that… it doesn’t really matters these days ) and more options with different styles.

main suggestion

• add APC gold order versions

such as

1. make the upcoming sdkfz 7 with the half-tent as a gold order option
   

   

2. keep the current / older sdkfz 7 with the full covered tent in the game, and make it as a gold order option:
   

   

( perhaps a winter version )

but i cant stress it enough. this version is kinda important as it’s used in mods as a engineer / munition dispenser vehicle.

and someone actually made a model to it.
i personally don’t like replace things. it would be great to add them.

because for some reason, in the new update, this tent will be replaced with the half-tent one above in desert camo.
imo, it should be a separate version as a gold order, or just mods.

3. add a studelbaker with the tent gold order version:

perhaps as winter options or… up to devs

4. add tent versions to the japanese APC
   

   

5. create a tent to the USSR truck ( since it doesn’t have one ):
   

remove the ability from firing from the various seats on those TENT apc versions.

which it’s easy to do.
just change isHoldGunModeAllowed:b=yes to no over the seats.

reason being, otherwise they would clip. which i believe was the reason why some of the tent versions were hidden or removed. but i believe we can keep both.

and, the reason behind apc with tent and this whole suggestion, was to have " stealth " versions of apcs. since AI would always open fire even with the command sent on " passive ". this way players can use the tent to avoid giving away the position. and act sort of as a " drawback " since it will not be able to return fire.

so ideally, you can get a gold order vehicle if you want, but it will not allow players or ai to fire from.

and that is all for apc.

bikes

bikes are the other class that it’s much harder to progress through due to the limited number, and an engineer requires lots of kills. personally, i didn’t had much isseues with it because it was one and still is, my favorite class.

but i can understand not being an ideal or straigh forward class for everyone.
additionally get more different style and colors for the bike it self. ideally, different insignias as well ( since… the germans are forced to use a tan bike with the dak insigna on it. totally not weird to see it in moscow… or berlin… or stalingrad… or ardenne… or rzhev … or normandy. if anything, should only appear in italian themed campaigns ( which there are none ) or tunisia )

hence, sorry for the repost, but easier to see there:

@ErikaKalkbrenner

but ideally, would be great to get gold order bikes without the side car:

or… just be able to give them colors… at this point.

Make Bikes Customizable

after a long time, i managed to get my hands on the rider squad. so far, i’m loving it. and suit nicely in my base tunisia line up and most likely will be there in the merge as well. but, i was disappointed to see ( or rather, not see ) any customization available. [image] therefore, Main Suggestion: Make bikes ( and eventual ground vehicles ) customizable. by; Implement customization for bikes by allowing camouflage/color selector Allow placements of decals ( so that we can cover …

and last but not least,

motorized units that used such vehicles to apply their insigna on vehicles. just for consistency like the others gold orders. ( are not controversial. ) and above all, that are already used in other squads.
so even less work.

german:

3rd Motorized Infantry Division

18th (Motorized) Infantry Division

20th Panzergrenadier Division

25th Motorized Infantry Division

29th Panzergrenadier-Division

90th Panzergrenadier Division

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USA

1st Cavalry Division

5th Infantry Division

8th Infantry Division

90th Infantry Division

7th Infantry Division

( and well, i’m sure there are more )

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for japan and ussr, unfortunately, new ones will have to be made. but you get the idea.
plus, i don’t think many factions actually used insignas of the vehicle on their vehicle beside the numbers and… other stuff.

[VoyoMayPL]

Or just add proper customization

We really don’t need to add a new vehicle model for every pattern of road lights. (Overexaggeration but you get the point.)

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

@VoyoMayPL

Or just add proper customization

well, no.

because it doesn’t have much to do with customization.

beside, to this day, you cannot hide things because you do that through templates.

@VoyoMayPL

We really don’t need to add a new vehicle model for every pattern of road lights.

except, it wouldn’t be a new vehicle. but a template.

here is an example of how panzer IVs f2 works ( or any vehicle )

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if anything. those are just reskins with few parameters ( such as hiding the tents like we have ). like, actual reskins.

not actual new vehicles like you’d believe.

as it goes for the version with the tent. you can add both tents and then hide them through the same way some tanks have tracks, and others do not.

which, you can’t do in war thunder either.

and that game has been out for 12 years.

but you know.
gotta compromize. when it comes to make things easier to get what you want and need.

beside, gold orders would be a small passive income for relatively low effort involved.

as well as give options and keep the models without removing anything.

[VoyoMayPL]

@ErikaKalkbrenner

because it doesn’t have much to do with customization.

I mean “customization” as in payload or shell type customization. Not as only graphical thing.

@ErikaKalkbrenner

except, it wouldn’t be a new vehicle. but a template.

here is an example of how panzer IVs f2 works ( or any vehicle )

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if anything. those are just reskins with few parameters ( such as hiding the tents like we have ). like, actual reskins.

not actual new vehicles like you’d believe.

as it goes for the version with the tent. you can add both tents and then hide them through the same way some tanks have tracks, and others do not.

which, you can’t do in war thunder either.

and that game has been out for 12 years.

For me it sounds like “it’s the same vehicle we already have with marginal differences” but implemented as a new vehicle.
Like, do we really need 2 trucks instead of one truck that can be modified? I know it’s probably impossible but still makes more sense (I also know we don’t do sense here).

@ErikaKalkbrenner

but you know.
gotta compromize. when it comes to make things easier to get what you want and need.

I guess.
But personally I like things done properly instead of half-assed.

[Mopuit]

The harley is already in the file

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

@VoyoMayPL

I mean “customization” as in payload or shell type customization. Not as only graphical thing.

sir, this is wendy a gold order visual themed suggestion.

mainly trying to save and not scrap this one:

@ErikaKalkbrenner

since the new update, it will become

@ErikaKalkbrenner

and, to get " two pidgeons with a stone ".
propose more APC gold orders to ease the grind, get " stealth " versions so that the AI does not give away your position.

it’s slighlty more, which can be done with actually less.

no need to be afraid

if i made it in less than half an a hour, i’m sure anyone can.
especially officials.

@VoyoMayPL

For me it sounds like “it’s the same vehicle we already have with marginal differences” but implemented as a new vehicle.

except… what it sounds like, or what you understand, doesn’t mean it’s actually that way.

again, it’s not a new vehicle.
it’s literally few lines of code.

nothing more, nothing less.

skins applied to those, at best can be 5mbs each on your hardrive.

@VoyoMayPL

Like, do we really need 2 trucks instead of one truck that can be modified? I know it’s probably impossible but still makes more sense (I also know we don’t do sense here).

well, beside not being possible to do, ( literal limitations ) i do argue more than one that do different things is needed.

because removing the weapons can only be done through a new template.
otherwise you’d run into the issue of AI / players being able to fire when the tent is on, or being unable to fire when the tents are on.

only one, or the other. there are no IF X is enabled, Y will not work.

which can be fixed by making two separate versions.

but it’s… in reality, just a template. lines of codes.

@VoyoMayPL

But personally I like things done properly instead of half-assed.

well it may seem half assed, but it’s kinda not.
it’s just how things are setted up and work.

[VoyoMayPL]

@ErikaKalkbrenner

again, it’s not a new vehicle.

For me and my squad management, it is.
That’s my point. I want to have one truck I can change instead of 10 premade trucks that clutter my inventory screen (and most likely need to be grinded separately).

Though now I have an idea. I guess I’ll make a suggestion later (hopefully not hijacking your post in the process).

@ErikaKalkbrenner

only one, or the other. there are no IF X is enabled, Y will not work.

which can be fixed by making two separate versions.

Ah, ok.

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

@VoyoMayPL

For me and my squad management, it is.

it ain’t.

@VoyoMayPL

That’s my point. I want to have one truck I can change instead of 10 premade trucks that clutter my inventory screen and need to be grinded separately.

except… it’s a gold order.

gold orders only appear in the squad like tanks.

but even then, tanks are different since gold orders are placed before the unused vehicles. which it’s still at the bottom.

not to mention, apcs do not have a long list like you’re trying to imply.

literally 1 vehicle ( as of yet ).

i doubt having 4 visual vehicles it’s going to be the end of the world.
and there is literally only one apc squad.

@VoyoMayPL

Ah, ok.

kinda suck, but at the same time, much easier and quick to do.

opposed as having to create entire new functions and dealing with exceptions ( such as if the tent is on or off )

[VoyoMayPL]

@ErikaKalkbrenner

except… it’s a gold order.

gold orders only appear in the squad like tanks.

but even then, tanks are different since gold orders are placed before the unused vehicles. which it’s still at the bottom.

not to mention, apcs do not have a long list like you’re trying to imply.

literally 1 vehicle ( as of yet ).

i doubt having 4 visual vehicles it’s going to be the end of the world.
and there is literally only one apc squad.

VoyoMayPL:

Yes, it’s only one APC squad with only one APC, but potentially with 10s to come.
So I try to plan forward for this. But I guess I’m off topic at this point so I’ll leave it here.

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

@VoyoMayPL

Yes, it’s only one APC squad with only one APC, but potentially with 10s to come.

mh… i don’t think so.

so far, armored apcs are through event squads with their own little squad.

perhaps non weaponized apcs will come as a vehicle.

which at best, it’s going to be 4.

( at least, in germany’s case since it’s the faction with more non weaponized acps. such as perhaps a radio version of the 250, opel blitz, and the other non weaponized beefier looking “222” commando car. )

like, it’s not going to be like the br II & III tank squad where it has 7 or more vehicles if you are a pre merge.

@VoyoMayPL

So I try to plan forward for this. But I guess I’m off topic at this point so I’ll leave it here.

eh, only a little.

but if it helps to get the message across. i don’t mind.