I really didn’t want to make this post but last match filled me with so much pain that I have no choice. This is by no means a whiny call for PIAT nerf as I may have just had bad games, I just wanna know how other people feel.
Tanks are already very easily destroyable. The number of tanks I get with a explosive pack per match is crazy and that is absolutely fine. If a tank runs into a bunch of infantry he gets what he gets and if you sneak your way all the way to a camping tank and one shot him good for you. The explosive requires good timing, courage, good positioning, and often just a dumb tank driver.
Another way to kill a tank is an AT stationary gun which even tho is effective, I don’t think there is much of a reason to use it when you can just one shot a tank with a tnt.
If you have a competent pilot you can mark a tank and they will drop a bomb on it to eliminate it. It forces the tanker to be constantly on the move and he has to be aware whats above him. It also creates the battle for air supremacy.
Now the thing I do have a problem with is PIAT. I don’t know if the players are just really lucky/good with it, but as a Pz 4 H tanker they are the worst. When I encounter an enemy with active bomber squad I get one shotted the moment I move from spawn. No warning, no blocking, no damaged parts, just straight up one shots me. I can angle myself however I want, it can hit my armor skirt, it can just scratch my paint. Immediate death. Or at least a track/engine/transmition down to make sure the next one hits. Sometimes they miss couple of times the entire tank and it doesn’t matter since the just have so much ammo and can just hide while they reload. (sometimes they even switch to a second bomber to speed things up) I know PIAT was a strong AT weapon in WW2, but I feel like this is just makes the game not fun for me. Make angling work, make skirts do something, give it less ammo, allow it to bounce of if not going straight, replace it with AT rifle granade, move it up in the campaign anything just make it stop. Well at least that’s the suffering I’ve been going through. If any of you know of any weaknesses of PIAT or a way to avoid immediate death from dozens of meters away I’d love to learn.
Piat is fine play your tank properly
PIAT/Storm Pistol do the same damage (play usa/ge)
you only notice it under performing because unlike the second tank germany gets which can take front hits from the piat and take 0 damage from it. The M8 is EVEN more squishy than the bradley that a single HE shell from a puma/sturm on the turret will take out the entire crew but the driver.
They don’t get German players ready for the Sherman because you’re used to hitting Bradleys/M8’s.
AT all works the same, the issue is a lot of the people who play WT know where the ammunition on the tanks are held which is just an instant kill. (A big issue is you can choose to reduce how much you carry unlike WT, and always go full stuck.)
As a tanker, you’re supposed to have cover and support squads from behind them (hard to shoot a piat from your side if you have infantry at your sides.) NOT charge ahead.
No tank in WW2 was pushing way past their infantry into enemy lines unassisted.
I’m well aware that I shouldn’t push with a tank, explosive packs already taught me. My problem is, that if enemy knows where I am, even with infantry support they can just crawl through a bush or peak out of a window and get me even through my frontal armor. It also sucks that apart from faster turret speed, the only upgrade the pz 4 H gets over pz 4 J is the armor skirt and yet it does absolutely nothing.
Stuarts* , was playing a squad and said bradley lol.
It does make sense the plating on the side doesn’t add any boon. But as it seems right now, thank balancing. Germany air is annoying as fuck and out perform USA bomber by a mile, and USA has to get the sherman jumbo to get a tank that still gets paper mached by air they cant fight back against.
Be glad you dont have to fight german air where the WZ rocket can one tap a sherman jumbo.
I mean the air is a topic on its own. I’d have to disagree since even tho the P 38 is a lot worse at CAS then its bf110 counter part, the P38 is much more agile and has easier time getting the bf110 out of the sky. The A20 outperformes the JU188 mostly thanks to the fact that it has machine guns on top of bombs, meaning it can at least somehow defend itself unlike JU188. Also since A20 for some reason counts as a different slot, it gives the Americans two planes while the Germans get only 1. But I do understand the frustration if you don’t have proper teammates to ensure you air superiority as US tanker
Play both factions, Air combat has nothing really to do with that. I’ve gunned down both light fighters and heavy fighters in my slow as hell, slow turning in the A-20 with knowing how to energy fight. I love the BF-110 for dog fighting, a single burst of the BF-110 will take out any plane in 1 main gun burst.
Tanks again, only the sherman jumbo which is TNT bait if it does anything other than snipe people, the rest you need a mostly straight shot from the side, or a rear shot to kill tanks.
If you asked me Germany is so stacked in Normandy.
Bolt Actions = Equal, Lee bolt action pushes slightly ahead by just having 10 rounds instead.
Semi auto = G43 (more shots, more total ammo, same damage, less recoil)
M2vsFG42 = FG42 (FG42 has less recoil, one shots instead of 2 shots.)
SMG = MP40/FNAB-43 (4 star) >>>>>> M3A1
Anti Tank = Sturm Pistole ( Why? it’s really funny to see a floating PIAT in the grass when they have it on the back, sturm pistol is smaller and not seen on the model. )
LMG = Breda Mod. 30 is on par with the bren, MG38/42 again with how hipfire work with 0 recoil can spray into a room and clear it out. Where the Bar is a slightly better Breda mod. 30
Tank = On par with germany til the sherman jumbo
Sniper = Germany gets scoped semi-auto at the same time USA… gets the springfield again WOOO WOOOO WOOOOOOOOO, and FG-42 early so they can have a god tier weapon earlier.
So USA = Lee-Enfield/Sherman Jumbo
and
Germany = GASP G43/MP40/FG42/Sniper/Planes/LMG/Tanks til the Sherman Jumbo (Light Figher/ Heavy Fighter)
Alright just give USA a stick instead of the lee-enfield (which just gets replaced by M1 Garands, and rock instead of the PIAT (even though it is worst since it just makes you stick out like a sore thumb.) Turn the Sherman Jumbo into a catapult. So people will stop bitching about the PIAT/Sherman Jumbo
Learn about energy fighting btw. BF110 can climb better as a heavy fighter.
Add the PIAT to the list of things that nobody thought was a problem in CBT but people are suddenly butthurt about.
Just wait for the Bazooka with triple the range.
Just the other day a guy made a post that their PIAT didn’t do jack shit and should get uberbuffed, and some people actually agreed there.
Together with this post, it shows that there are people on both sides - too strong, too weak - and that it is mostly balanced. It can be hard to learn how to use it, but rewarding once you do.
I think the consensus is that armor models may still be a WIP. At least the devs admitted to that in their Q&A. As far as the Piat goes it’s by no means over powered. But again if the armor models are not accurate then there is no sense talking about AT weapons …
FIX THE TANKS! … then we can talk about balancing AT weaps
Yup.
That’s why I didn’t really want to make this post. I’m well aware some people consider it under powered and I, myself don’t have that much of a problem with it. But every 30 or so games, I’m against an experienced PIAT squad that one shots my tanks from the front, 50 meters away from a window. And sometimes it just gets really dreadful. As it is very rare to encounter a squad this annoying/skilled I just wanted to know what people think. Not calling for a buff or a nerf. Just had a little rant along the way as I just finished one of these dreadful matches.
A main tank players whines because someone stops his killstreak, jesus man.
A main infantry player whines because someone wants feed back with a tank, jesus man.
No, u whine because the piat is the only weapon infantry have a chance to kill u without risks, u already play easy mode but i guess u just want to mow down every single player with no issue whatsoever.
Lmao I love how there are two type of people, the ones that are literate and can have a normal conversation with me, and the ones that can’t read past the first sentence, the whole point of a post bounces of their smooth brain, and then they whine how other people are “whining”
I am a infantry main myself, I wrote at least 3 easy ways to destroy a tank, I pointed out that in my personal experience it’s hard to counter PIAT in current meta but I’m open to discuss and the thing I get is a toxic crying baby that got killed by a tank once and hasn’t recovered since.