Oh yes, I´m sure devs want uncontested bombers pounding the ground the whole game in… because who in the right mind would bring fighters to counter them, if most have their armanents nearly useless and are unable to shoot down anything…
Just yesterday, I played Normandy with 109… let´s just say… it wasn´t nice experience at all… emptying 2 loads of all my ammunition into enemy and he just kept flying (yeah, I literally had to re-arm before engaging him again only for him to crash 30 seconds later after I quit wasting my time and jumped out of the damn plane).
No matter what devs want meta to be, some kind of adjustment to plane survivability is really needed.
So, let me get one thing straight: Planes loosing control and crashing because tip of their wing turned yellow is wrong. But empyting your entire load of ammunition into enemy plane and it still keeps flying like literally nothing happened is wrong as well.
I’d say it’s the biggest problem in the Normandy (I haven’t played Berlin in air though).
In Tunesia and Moscow 20mm guns have no problem with downing planes in a few hits. 12,7mm also does the job quite well (although not amazing).
Meanwhile in Normandy 20mm is a joke. You have to constantly hammer one part to get some results.
I think part of the inconsistency of planes may come from pilot snipes
Sometimes you may get lucky and hit the pilot, other times you just dump all your ammo into an overly tanky plane chasis
Might also be why the non explosive 50cals perform so well- they penetrate and have better chance of hitting the pilot+ they can pen the armored plates behind pilots
I am embarrassed to be an Axis main, because there is no other faction in this game that whines that much as Axis do.
FFS I posted a video here that clearly shows how lethal the 30mm and 37mm of Bf 110 is in THIS game, to disprove what the OP claimed. I don’t care if you have a million hours in War Thunder, this Enlisted and it is not developed by the same guys!
I also have a kill montage on my channel with the Fw 190 but what is the point in posting it here if the next joker comes in “But bro I have a gazillion hours in War Thunder”.
People wonder why I am not as active in the forum as I used to be?
Just watch this fucking thread.
All I can say is out of over 500 hours I played around 300 hours in Normandy as Axis, I do have four vehicle slots filled with the Fw 190, Bf 109 G-6, Bf 110 and Me 410 (or Ju 188).
I do not have any issues shooting down enemy planes.
As I regularly play with you @120062891 I ask you: “Did I ever had any problems shooting down any enemy plane in Normandy?”
Have you watched my video? If not, please take a look in full: there are both BF 109 and BF 110 and FW , JU-188 which easily destroy enemy planes. I also have to say that if I want, I can make a video the same as yours and “prove” the effectiveness of any weapon. Once again: aircraft damage is broken and random. Destroying an enemy plane is also not a problem for me, only there are such cases (and they are not so rare) when, for example, from the same BF 109 G 6 armed with a 20mm cannon and a 13 mm machine gun, you can spend all the ammunition, carry out a lot of hits and not shoot down the enemy plane. While in Wartander, with accurate shooting, you can destroy 5 enemy planes using all your ammunition.
Its not to all sides. Allies armor on planes are just broken. I can accept that they have more armor and all to balance it, especially in Normandy where allies planes is also overall lesser agile of which i can accept in a way…but sometimes their armor is just ridiculous.
Even in an BF110 that is usually beefy you can take just an slight scratch from an enemy plane and youre critically hit in 2-3 areas while you have to empty sometimes up to two mags from two guns up close to them
But with this said…the 30mm will usually kill them quite fast. But is harder to aim and hit with. They can how ever tank the 37mm up to 5 shots for sure of which i also can accept in a way since that one is much easier to snipe with and is also an auto cannon
This was your initial claim, in response to that (I even quoted the above to make it clear) I posted a video showing that contrary to what you claim, it exactly does that.
I regularly fly and I am not aware of that!
Uhm, what? Didn’t you say exactly the opposite of that in the OP. I am not a native english speaker, maybe I have misunderstood you, than I am truly sorry!
It sure as hell is harder to down an enemy plane with the Bf 109 compared to the Fw 190 and Bf 110!
But this is Enlisted.
The developers alter stats to their liking. MG-42 for example. Or Panther vs. Jumbo. One can only accept that.
Imho if you wrote in your initial post that you would love to have the aviation combat be more like or the same than War Thunder, it would had been much clearer what you actually want.
Would love to, but I have none lol!
I just currently lack the free time to do more content regularly or do requests! But I certainly keep that in mind will probably take a while!
I usually use the Fw 190, Bf 110 and Me 410 as they all have also great CAS abilities thanks to the Wfr.Gr. 21. So after killing enemy planes I’ll do CAS runs until the next plane spawns and so on.
I absolutely agree that the Bf 109 G-6 is a lot weaker against enemy aircraft. Thought I can reliably kill Jumbo’s with it’s 50kg bombs. That is why I chose it over the G-10!
But whats the point of shooting down planes with fighters if the enemy insta replace it and most of them commit suicide bombing anyway? Spawncamping isnt the final solution either. (and the 50kg thing sounds fantasy).
oh sry i was thinking about the BF110 model ^^ that plane is an effective planekiller because of its agility. You just have to be more accurate in general as said
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