Air! (poll on aviation)

[Shiivex]

Done with my answer.
Hope it gets somewhere.

I trully hope to see a poll like this on premium squads. And their composition

[暴風突撃銃45型]

@Shiivex

I trully hope to see a poll like this on premium squads. And their composition

We need a poll on bullet spread since it really sucks

[Karl_Magne]

huge respect for the devs actually polling the community

[Di_Le]

I add my post here

@32670924

Foreword: by the terms “realism” and “realistic” I mean the most similar indicators / properties / features, taking into account the game features, since we need to understand that it is impossible to achieve absolute realism and transition to a simulator in this game setting.

First of all, I would like to see the changes in the flight model, since the current control is not very similar to the real control of aircraft (taking into account the specifics of various aircraft). In the game, the engine overheating of various air vehicles was incorrectly carried out (as an example, the engine at the maximum load in the P-51 does not overheat for 5-10 minutes of flight in this engine operating mode, since it uses a good cooling system. as well as the physics of the aircraft during maneuvers also leave much to be desired (I advise you to study the experience of the pilots or familiarize yourself with the behavior of aircraft analogs from the IL-2 Sturmovik game).

I would like to see the correct behavior of the damage model when interacting with large-caliber aircraft cannons (caliber 20, 30 and 37 mm, respectively) and machine guns (12.7 and 13 mm). The current damage model also looks a little realistic. As an example, I can say that a direct hit from 30 mm guns on the P-38 will not allow the pilot to control the aircraft correctly, and most likely this will instantly lead to fatal structural damage. Dealing damage with large-caliber machine guns is more like a lottery - since often the structure of the enemy aircraft also does not receive any damage.

These wishes are based on my subjective perception of the gameplay and experience gained in simulators.

[VenTti87]

Well… For me the biggest trouble is the problem with my HOTAS. I’d very much would like to use joystick, pedals and throttle (with realistic engine management), now the game thinks my setup is a gamepad, and if my table moves, game reverts to gamepad control, and everything else goes funky. mousecursor moves on its own, aiming with mouse gets impossible… Can we get it so that ONLY in planes i’d use joystick/gamepad?

Other thing for me is possibility for landing/bailing out. i can bail, but with bad bad results

TY

V-T

[VenTti87]

aaaand tailgunners. why should i get multiple squadmembers, if they can’t hop in?

[doshskia]

i think that they just need to work on the “who gets the kill” now, i have had times where i blow off a wing or tail and i don’t get the kill just because some one hit him while he was already crashing,
also need to work in tail/belly gunners
and maybe letting us alter bomb loadouts?

[Fr33quency]

+1
AA’s need to be reworked from anti-infantry weapon to AA weapon

[Hansawerft]

Add in the cockpit Realistic Controls for PC Keyboard and Mouse (like in war thunder, not only Mouse Aim Controls like Enlisted has now).

Bomb Radius and Damage are far too small for 500kg dive-bombing Juu87, I just only get 1 to 4 Kills for 3 times dropping the Bomb, very less than before Update-Version that I usually had 7 to 21 Kills in one time dropping Bomb using the same Juu. Maybe Juu 500Kg or other Bomber need a little bit better Bomb Radius and Damage! Just a little bit, not too much!

thank you!

[WidowMakerUk73]

Just wanted to link to FW190,. If you play this plane on PS5 console you are at a serious disadvantage when dogfighting, because it is just soo wobbly!

FW190 Flight Model

Just to put this conversation back on track, I took some video comparison between my BF109-G6 and Freelook (screen Joystick mode on ps5) and the same video for the FW. @Keofox hope the devs could look into this mate. BF109 G6 Premium fully upg: https://vimeo.com/625203078 FW190 - not upg, rank 3 though: https://vimeo.com/625205254 I bought the premium plane as I wanted to change from using premium panzer M and have more air CAS support, I didn’t want to lose my XP bonus, so yes bought the …

[MrLight013]

lost my c202 tail after 1 sten bullet -.-

[remnar]

bombs should be ‘duds’ if you die by crashing in a plane before they go off
this way suicide bombing only really works for rockets and it prevents revenge suicide bombing because someone kill you in a window
if you can pull up and away and have them detonate before you hit a building or tree, well, its better than going in a straight dive towards that tank that killed you, crashing your plane into it

[HiaRT_Hero]

My largest complaint is that Soviet planes are vastly unquestionably superior to all axis planes.

The amount of times I’ve 1 tapped germans is incalculable. The amount of times I’ve been 1 tapped by soviets as germans is incalculable.

[Josephs_Piano]

@55563367

My largest complaint is that Soviet planes are vastly unquestionably superior to all axis planes.

More a problem with the top 2 inches of the player than the equipment!

[HiaRT_Hero]

Sad. All my homies hate the disparity in Moscow at least.

[Josephs_Piano]

All the problems with air that I have seen in Moscow are L2P problems - on both sides.

I’ve shot down Il-2 with Hs-123, and 109F with Il-2 and I-153 - invariably because the players in them were idiots - flying straight when under fire or trying to dogfight a bi-plane with a Sturmovik for heaven’s sake!

Admittedly it takes a reload or 2 for a 123 to do enough damage to a Sturmovik, but but the Il-2 players just keep trying to dogfight time after time - easy risk-free kills unless there’s another a/c who intervenes… which has not happened to me yet.

Apart from the air-air issues, the German CAS in Moscow is far superior to the Soviet - the 250kg bombs out-perform 50kg + rocket combo on the Sturmovik or the 6 x 100kg on the SB-2 by a massive margin, and of course the SB-2 has no gun armament (back to air-air) so is an easy kill for all the fighters, although it can outrun the 123 and Stuka until it gets some damage.

IMO air is actually reasonably balanced in Moscow.

[Shiivex]

i did shot down a stuka in berlin using the semi auto from the premium squad soviet side.

felt good.

[karnisov]

@21312290

Some aircraft are too weak compared to enemy aircraft of the same level, mainly the Soviet Air Force. The 50kg or 100kg of the Il-2 is too weak. They were very weak when the bombs were not weakened in the past, but Bombing infantry can still be used, but now they are almost impossible to use, the most pitiful is Moscow’s pe3, there used to be 6 RBS132, it was changed to 4 100kg, then after a short time, the bomb was weakened, and now it Both the SB2 and the PE3 are aircraft with poor flight performance and poor bombing capabilities. I think the Soviet aircraft should be upgraded to the 250kg load level, like the IL-10.

^ this. I primarily target tanks with attacker planes, and Soviet attackers have too many downsides now. Bad flight models, weak bombs, and (on Berlin especially) bad visibility == might as well not even bother. A player should not have to grind to campaign lvl 28 to get a minimally effective anti-tank bomb load.

here is an illustration of “white hit marker” 100kg bomb drop against Pz 4 today on Wilhelmstrasse. zero damage. pre-nerf this would have most likely been a kill, and if not a kill then at least serious damage. post-nerf nothing.

100kg is shite

you can second guess this and say “oh you need to come in steeper/faster/from the side” but the IL-2 is heavy, doesn’t pull up well, and needs to do this type of shallow angle bombing. If the bomb is not killing on a direct hit drop then it is underpowered and should be replaced.

[Lear_the_cat]

Soviet bombers with a lot of small bombs and rockets are much better than german big bombs after nerf. They hit more area and can kill infantry much better and you have more chances to kill tank with more bomb drops.

[WidowMakerUk73]

Just wanted to add that I have started flying p47D Hvar, the plane itself loses maneuverability at low speeds, I’m not sure if issue with flight model, I know boom n zoom and energy, but I get 3-5 kills, however when a bf109 comes in, then it out turns me and I find it hard to catch up even on full throttle.