I contantly saw people in forum who insist that all nerfs are bad(nerf should be prohibited). I’m not trying to dishonour you nor fight with you, but i’m here to inform you and i just want to listen your opinion about following phenomenon:
In World of tanks, Wargaming have a policy that they will never nerf a premium tank whatsoever. At first, it was ok, since most of premium tanks were OP. In fact, it had some flaws compare to normal researchable tanks (e.g. kv-5, jagdtiger 88, super pershing etc). But then, Wargaming started to add OP premiums. Thanks to their policy, it was never got nerfed. What ends up being, a good chunk of normal researchable tanks become just obsolete toward those unnerfable tanks. Now, it went to a point the problem is irrevocable.
As if you read all the way to here, you probably have an idea what is the problem. What do you think?
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You can talk with our leader @Conscript_Joe
Nerf are generally bad and should be avoided, buffs are better way.
That being said sometimes they are necessary, though in last cases they nerfed rally points and semi auto rof they overdid it waaay too much.
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Non applicable since I can still 1 shot you with my bolt gun while you spray premium rounds.
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wargaming literally “tanked” (badum tss) their own game with overpowered premiums. That’s seriously not the way to go, and I fear Enlisted is following in their paths. premium jumbo, pz4 (Moscow), Valentine, 4 lmg guys with engy… those should not be in game at all.
It’s not even nerf at this point, it’s they shouldn’t even add them in the first place! maybe the lmg squad could be salvaged if they removed 1 lmg guy to have them at 3, like regular squads. As for vehicle squads… it’s a mess they did, no idea what they can do.
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or take away the LMG from the engineer
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Let’s say, a smg was added. Soon, players realise it is op, because its damage is too high. Instead of nerfing its damage, we decided to level all other smg by buffing them to the same performance of new OP smg. Then, you realise now people just spam smg. To fix this, you buff all other class. In consequence, every existing weapon just oneshot everyone. To solve problem, you buff player hp and the story goes on.
Don’t we have a word for this? Power creep. It’s just like building on top of sand. How high, how strong it is, once it break down a bit, the whole thing will crumble down.
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this is a bit of a strawman, it’s more nuanced than that. what’s bad is gaijin style nerf where entire categories of shit just get nuked (like shotguns, dispersion on everything and SA rifles) without any consideration on an individual level.
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Yes. I’ve been playing WT since 2016, and yes i saw how gaijin nerf and buff things. But i think the idea of thinking that all nerfs are bad because gaijin’s nerfs are bad is a fallacy of hasty generalization.
m1c and vg1-5 too getting their rof floored despite doing lower damage than other SAs
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I agree, but we are talking about enlisted here, where the system of nerfs is generally bad and this company have a tendency to nerf things rather than buff counters. also nobody really thinks ‘all nerfs are bad.’ were you here for when bombs and artillery got nerfed? that was an extremely popular change
Breda, chauchat, vg 1-5, m1 carbine etc are all victims of ignorant nerf
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I personally found in many threads that people here just tend to acutely try to buff thing , rather than nerf. At least for my sight, people here don’t know the existance of good nerf. It feels like people fanatically idolise buff even if sometimes nerf is better way to cope that problem. If you buff only, it will eventually have an inflation. It’s like pouring water in a bottle continuously while the drain hole is too small to balance water. At some point it is flood.
this just isn’t the case:
the problem is, since many of us have been playing (i assume the majority have been here since april last year as it saw a big pop boom then) there haven’t been many good nerfs. i also remember something about premium squads used to be OP until they had the policy of 4 man squads or 9 man squads with no engineer and either equivalent or inferior weaponry - to my knowledge, this was also a popular change.
damn… I forgot the engy ALSO had an lmg… Yeah that squad is even more broken than I remember. Didn’t buy it, it’s not what I’m looking for in premiums.
To the devs, once again: What we want in premium squads is to have the SAME squad compositions possibilities as regular squads (infantry squad can choose to have engy, radioman, sniper and whatnot) but NOT overpowered things like 5 lmgs… That’s just bonkers. i’d buy the squad if:
The squad, even premium, is restricted to 3 lmg guy, like regular, but have the possibility to have other soldiers in it, again like regular ones. Those “extra” soldiers would merely share uniforms and stats, but would get starter bolt actions (that can be switched with other regular free weapons like regular soldiers can).
I acknowledge that since the arty nerf there wasn’t any good nerf, especially the rof nerf is awful they should rollback. But, “because previous nerfs done by DarkFlow/Gaijin are bad, nerf in general is inferior to buff.” is just Tu quoque and abusive generalisation. It can’t be an argument saying that all future nerf will be harmful.
look at this, you really think making everything OP is the way we seeking? what if we go back when we had pepperonis on the maps, when aeroplane bomb people at brand new start of a battle, same logique applied, we should’ve buff things not nerf them, am i wrong?
explain why it is bad. Because i can’t see any particular reason that nerf should be avoided.
but the problem about premium tanks are that they are unnerfable. Devs aren’t God, nor Darkflow nor Wargaming, nor Gaijin. They can make mistake. The premium could not work as intended by devs. But, the fact that they are untouchable, emerged the whole problem.
yeah I know… I don’t know what they could do to help the vehicle case.
Infantry is easy, they already tweaked premium infantry once… But they did it so poorly, as all their nerf ( only 4 star max, underpopulated squads, no squad composition choice…) What players asked then was: we don’t want assaulters squads with 7 assaulters in it, that’s pay to win! just make them like regular squads in that aspect! But they broke them instead. We are still waiting for squad composition but may wait a long, long time.
