Adress to all anti-nerfist

[BandytaJeden]

fun.
shotguns are not fun anymore, no one uses them.
semi auto nerf did the same to m1.
less diversity, more smg and mg spam.
also just bad game design, and more:

Analysis: Why We Should Buff More Than Nerf

[tommyZZM]

@tommyZZM

Here is the latest and summary suggestion about spawn point, Many similar suggestions have been posted before, this post summary the most reasonable ideas I think.

This system doesn’t need to redo much for the game system and program.

1. Those squads with powerful weapon and vehicles will consume more spawn points. Completing combat objectives and capture control points in combat can earn spawn points. Spawn points can be reset every match. So you don’t have to worry about unskilled players not being able to use the advanced weapons they have hard-grinded. They can have a reset initial point value for each game. Every player can fairly use powerful weapons several times in every match. Encourage players to actively fight, reward players who fight actively in the combat let them can play more times with these weapons.
2. The deployment of low-level bolt-action rifle teams does not require a spawn point.
3. Add a Re-Deployment Point for Aircraft. Allowing players to redeploy as infantry, and redeployment can refund more spawn points. This mechanism allows the fighter (specaily those fighter without bombs) to become playable in the game, and the player does not need to commit suicide to redeploy.
4. Since aircraft spawning needs to consume spawn points. If the player’s aircraft commits suicide, double spawn points will be deducted as punishment. The minimum spawn point is 0. A small amount of spawn points can be refunded if the aircraft makes a soft landing. Make soft landings and aircraft landing gears practical.

4.1 Based on the redeployment mechanism, it can also reduce the aircraft fuel, so that the aircraft has to be redeployed to avoid the aircraft from passively fighting in the air, who can who up

5. The deployment of powerful armored vehicles and vehicles requires more spawn points. Assuming that some kind of mechanized infantry Half-track or Armored Vechicles will be added in the future, this mechanism can be used to balance. The same situation can be applied to interesting vehicles such as anti-aircraft trucks or flamethrower tanks
6. By using spawn point as a resource measurement tool, dev can balance more other game mechanics. Such as shelling, adding different ammunition to vehicles and weapons, etc. For example, calling a 76mm artillery shell consumes a small amount of spawn points, and calling a Katyusha rocket for fire coverage will consume more spawn points, etc. As those Rituals and skills in CRSED. Dev can add more fun things based on this tool.

No need for nerf, just some mechanism to limit how often weapons appear.

The dev should limit the player’s use of a certain weapon by cost. Instead of simply weakening or enhancing the attributes of weapons,

[BandytaJeden]

@tommyZZM

Every player can fairly use powerful weapons several times in every match.

What? How?
Unless You remove all grind from game and give everyone most levels, how do You make that happen?
What “powerfull” weapons lvl 1-10, or even 1-20 in some campaigns do new guys have.
This will just make people with high level punish their team instead of them.

There are tons of “balancing” post with some point systems, while we already have balance on resupply points that is changes every two patches, sure they will add more points to balance every time.

Maybe just make all bolt actions actually kill, not down, on and chest shot in 100m.
Even if You take away fg’s, aws is basically the same, full auto for rifleman, m2 is worse with recoil still clears squads in cqc.

[rrangwoo]

Fun? sure it would be fun if every opponent you face can just vaporize you in a flash, huh? Yes it is true that shotgun nerf and semi-auto RoF nerf was bad, but that doesn’t mean all nerf are bad and only buff is good.

@rrangwoo

“because previous nerfs done by DarkFlow/Gaijin are bad, nerf in general is inferior to buff.” is just Tu quoque and abusive generalisation. It can’t be an argument saying that all future nerf will be harmful.

For example, when we were able to bomb people as soon as the battle started, or when we had pepperonis all over the map, we should’ve buff other things, not nerfing them. Or, i don’t know if you play War thunder or not but, in WT, once upon a time the infamous R3 was added and was hella OP. So, Gaijin nerffed it instead of buffing all same BR tanks and aeroplanes. As you base on the previous bad nerfs, i can base on previous good nerf.

@rrangwoo

If you buff only, it will eventually have an inflation. It’s like pouring water in a bottle continuously while the drain hole is too small to balance water. At some point it is flood.

Buff things causes inflation. Power creep. Adequate nerf is necessary and it is unalterable with buff.

[BandytaJeden]

Lol i’m not saying “make explosive pack half rango of entire map”.
There we just many nerfs recently that just sucked, semi autos are half grbage, while auto rifles remain the same. Rally point nerf was so bad that they just removed it. Shotguns are now unable to kill dudes from 15m, even some pistols are better and they plan to make them stronger.

Some nerfs were justified and asked for by community here, like You mentioned bombing spawns in first 30s, and same with artillery. Even the thompson sway nerf while annoying make some sense, we just needed to change perk to reduce horizontal insted of vertical which is easier to control.

Buffs are just as dangerous, but are just better received generally. They make alternatives weaker in comparison, so they could lead to power creep as You said, but they aren’t any major buffs recently, and i don’t see many post asking for them, unless You count the man, the myth, the legend, give BAR’s to riflemans GOD.

Few small buff i would personally like would be bolt action damage.
The core of game was 1 shot, 1 kill. Most people like it.
Now that vitality is so easy to get, this rule don’t work anymore.
New weapon upgrade patch will soon hopefully make it easier to get full star rifles, but we will know once the cost is known.
Granades will be buffed soon, as they should be to distinguish them from det packs that are too good, just hope they don’t nerf them too much.

So some buffs are coming, nerfs are bad but sometimes necessary.
I think having more options is generally more fun, right now meta is heading toward COD style gameplay, and this game is more unique than most shooters to follow their mistakes.