A case to downtier the Johnson lmg

I’m not going to try to convince someone who is already convinced of his own truth. :man_shrugging:

Especially someone who deliberately cherry picks sources just to create a narrative to serve his agenda.

The weapon is easily playable in its current state. In fact, it is very good.

But rather than letting others have fun with it. When it’s obviously not a weapon for you. You are deliberately pushing an agenda just to change it to suit your own liking.

Which is quite pathetic. Especially in this context, that gun is quite unique at the moment. And there is no equivalent in the game that offers this kind of unique gunplay.

Whereas you want to throw it all away. And turn that weapon into just another BAR variant, of which there are plenty of in the game already (±10, if we count weapons like Ke and other various premium/BP weapons).

Gameplay should always be above some HA agendas, especially since it’s something that really can’t be 100% proven.

Translation: I can’t because no such source exits.

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I’m sorry if you’d rather play a fantasy game, could I suggest Fortnite or COD for you to play?

Personally I don’t want to turn it into a BAR, I want to downtier it to br2 with the correct nerfs.

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Also give it 25 round , that would make it awsome but I fear that would put it in BR 3

And bayonet is also needed
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Anyone who knows how to use internet can see for themselves that you are just being willfully deceiving. :man_shrugging:

And that my statement…

…is 100% correct.

Show me the sources that I “don’t want people to see”, you can’t be because they don’t exist. All you’ve done is ignore facts. If your approach was used to balancing every weapon then within a few updates each gun would have fantasy stats.

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BR2 is the most overbloated BR in the game. :man_shrugging:

That’s exactly what I was talking about in this post.

And what I meant by this:

Well as you can see the ‘‘specialists’’ on the forum dont understand nothing of guns that why I made my post if they had any idea they would have understand that M1941 is not gas operated while M1944 is gas operated but no one of them really could see it and as you can see this and I hoped some one of them would have seen it so he could explain it now im gonna wait for him to read the entire manual… and M1941 has no gasport…only M1944 has a gasport wait until he find the gasport on M1941 :rofl:

Do actually think the Johnson is currently a viable choice at br4? It’s only br4 as a token, just so the Devs can say the US has a br4 mg. Br2 bloat can be fixed by kicking out the OP br2 smgs, I do agree the Devs should use their resources to fill holes in the tech tree instead of just adding more br2 content.

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It doesn’t matter IF the Johnson is capable of a higher rpm, because it wasn’t used at the rpm, so the Johnson in game should be a representation on how it was used, NOT how it COULD of been used.

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Go search for that gasport :rofl:

Please reread what I wrote, slower this time so perhaps you can understand it.

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Of course it is. This weapon is one tap annihilator.

I will always prefer it over weapons such as MG42, Te-4, DT-29.

Sure, better BR4 MGs definitely exists as well. Such as Type Hei LMG, Federov MG, MG45, MG42 early.

But Johnson LMG is definitely one of my most favorite TT MGs.

Unfortunately the current Johnson lmg is based on a lie, the current form is a fantasy based on poor and lazy research by the Devs.

But even if the Johnson lmg wasn’t nerfed and kept it’s 900rpm, I still think it ought to be br3 because the 20 round mag paired with a absurd rpm is a bad combination.

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Yeah, and that’s why all SF rifles sucks.

Whatever, if that’s what you think. Okay.

I should clarify, it sucks at being a mg. Also the fg42 GL with 900rpm is also worse than the standard variant with a lower rpm.

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Doesn’t it also have terrible MG movement deviation penalty? I bet its not much different than German BR2 MGs.

Ah, so suddenly the problem is MG weapon type and not small mag capacity in combination with high rof.

Anyway, that’s why I proposed this:


It has the lowest dispersion penalty for movement of all American and British machine guns.

Except for the Vickers Berthier. Which is broken because it doesn’t have one.

Well there is reason for that M1941 is recoil-operated and M1944E1 is gas operated … really the gas operated Johnsons are after the war… A gas-operated firearm generally has less recoil than a recoil-operated firearm…

The problem hasn’t changed, it’s small mag and high rpm make it not very good for doing mg duties.

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Sure but also give new BAR with 40 rounds at BR4

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