Indeed, a t34-76 on one side and a a panzer 4 with 75mm heat shells on the other. It would be balanced.
Altho I admit I just followed this argument for the sake of entertainment. Because in reality I do prefer to have a campaign in between Moscow and Berlin, where we could have far more appropriate iconic gear for the eastern front.
By this I mean a Kursk like campaign with kv1, T34-76 and T34-85, SU-85, etc. And long barrel, reenforced versions of the panzer 4/3, stugs, even tigers and maybe panthers.
It would be more on the favor of the Germans, but it would be cool
As for weapons more appropriate iconic weapons on the front such as the ppsh and the ppsh, mp-40, g43s, early stgs, etc.
Indeed those weapons are in other campaigns, but is necessary to note that some of those weapons and gear are present in the other 2 campaigns, but in both cases they are not in a position where they are front and center of the action, making the battles less authentic in some aspects.
No, because nothing else would be able to stand up to it. It’s called powercreep. And it also wouldn’t be balanced, as the panzer 4 would be woulnrable to every russian tank, while the T34 only to said panzer 4. So no, no and no.
There was an interesting suggestion for a caucusus campaign a while ago. It would feature these vehicles, as well as weapons from all sorts of countries (like romania) and vertical maps (which we currently lack).
A weakspot is only a weakspot if it’s small. That is not a weakspot.
Nope. Panzer 4 F1 and T50. Taken from warthunder protection analysis. The enlisted models are ported from that game.
I guess that “sloped armor” is a bit stronger than it should be, while penetration is not as important as pure dmg.
This lead us to these weird dmg models where the Panzer IV is stronger fighting of enemy tanks than the Panzer III, even tho the Panzer IV was just infantry support with poor anti tank capabilities. Its just that post penetration is really weak and high pen guns, because of that tanks like the Jumbo, the panzer III, and the T50 all deal very little dmg.
The 45mm gun is mediocre against the Px 4’s and Pz3E - it can penetrate if there is no angle and you hit the right place - but mostly that is not the case.
If the Pz4E were to get HEAT then the T28 should get it’s APHE.
The 45mm can pen all german tanks unless you’re a total idiot.
Aim anywhere here and you’ll pen with 0 issues.
Pz3J is a little bit more difficult, but you can still pen front plate with 0 problems and it’s mantlet is a lot weaker, so you can pen that too.
Honestly, I wouldn’t mind that. Taking into account that the T28 has more mgs and more crew, I’d say the pz4s should get 20 HEAT shells and the T28 10 APHE shells
Well Germany has Two AT things in mind to that isnt up here. That balance in for T-50
From how i see this is:
German Panzer are anti Infantry tanks prio (Except the Pnz3j) then Anti tank secondary which makes them have to play more smarter hunting tanks
Germany has really good AT capabilities both in infantry and air around that later stage when T-50 is just candy as everyone else
The only thing that bothered me balance wise in Moscow is: Accuracy on insane smgs like PPD at long ranges, IL:2s armor, Biplane superiority and perhaps shotguns to now when Russia has even more domination in close combat at early stages and beyond to later stages. But even then an Good player with an ppsh meeting an good player with MKB i think the PPSH will dominate, but since MKB is also an “sniper” in mind you cant compare them but are just an equalizer per say overall and perhaps slight better which weight in for other bs you been up to during that campaign.
German Mgs could be an good defense to this but since DP is also an monster i cant put that in as an cqc equalizer per say ^^ Well ofc you should have the wonderful ZB asw counted in to this. But that gun is more of an support mid/long range MG then for assault
All panzer 3s had their intended use be against armored vehicles, not just the J. But game wise they’re crap at both.
Both sides have aircraft capable of destroying tanks. And the only good infantry weapon against tanks germany has is the GRB, which is unlocked so late it doesn’t make much difference. If it was like lvl 20 or something, then It would be a valid counter.
Shotgun buff doesn’t affect moscow cqc at all. The starting PPD is still far better than the TOZ.
I mean, they’re still better. Not exactly an equalizer, but it does help a lot. ZB and Mg13 are fairly equal to the DP and Mg34 is a bit better.
So many people are downplaying the 45mm for whatever reason despite being one of the fastest-firing cannons in the game with 70mm + of penetration because they can’t fathom what it’s like to have a fair opinion.
Oh i forgot the Mg13 so its bit fair with that in mind to. Wouldnt say the 3j is bad at killing tanks but you got a point there for sure.
They are not equal to the DP in my opinion but youre right Mg34 is slight better then the DP overall because of its firerate but the DP is stronger per shot and take like 2 to kill someone.
Cant agree on this since you dont need much to kill someone with it, rly small burst instant kills them so you can pretty much have an killing spree with it mid range without using bipod. Mg34 is however bit better when it comes to close quarters though but are more reliable on its bipod when coming to control mid range effectively
Weird since i recall holding down an whole building across the street with the DP standing up. Something i could have done with the mg36 asw but with more struggle in a way. That DP i picked up just slapped them as soon as i touched them
