On Moscow T-50 is a real menace and it can’t be penetrated at some large distances eg. on Quarry while it can basically just end you.
Premium Panzer 4 E has HEAT that can penetrate sloped armor at extreme distances.
Why free Panzer 4 E/F1 can’t use those shells? It could be added as an upgrade to those tanks.
Something like this
(yes thats my crappy edit in paint with some war thunder HEAT ammo screenshot)
It would be a very good way to balance tanks in other campains.
Let me know your thoughts!
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T-50 are has bad gun. PZ 4 good gun with very fast reload.
Yes, t-50 hard to penetrate, but if you add heat to PZ 4,then it make t-50 useless shit.(test premium pz4 against t-50)
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I very much want to see the ability to alter ammunition loadout in tanks. I think it’s a great idea to add the different ammunition types that were available to each tank on the game.
Also smoke for tanks.
T50 has a very good gun. It can pen every single tank in moscow.
If you added HEAT to panzer 4, the T50 would still be better than the 3J.
And the fact that it’ll make it more balanced and less people will use it is good, as it’ll give the early tanks a chance.
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Bad gun!?
45mm can penetrate Pz2C, Pz3B, Pz3E, Pz3J, Pz4E, Pz4F1 even extreme distances.
APCBC in 75mm gun of PZ4F1 can penetrate front turret of T-50 but you need to be very very close. T-50 would be far from useless when only Pz4 had it in this campain.
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Then you will need the T34-76 so both can penetrate each other in nearly any spot
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I don’t understand you. T34 is too much for this campaign. The early tanks just ain’t a match for it and the germans don’t really have anything historically feasible that could be added to counter it. Panzer 3L was suggested, but I’m not sure how accurate that would be. And the point about the early tanks still stands.
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Not to mention u can buy a T-50 with 1 gold order, no lvl or crew to unlock needed. T-50 has no rival, (except maybe a 60€ premium tank maybe a few players have).
T-50 can penetrate everywhere even PIV F1 standing on an angle to him, while he can only be shot in his Mg pod and Turret cupola. Some might argue T-50 has not at anti inf capability, np there you have your T-28 as well doing as good.
It’s just not comparable, no rival, early accessible, best Armour. Honestly do we really discuss still standpoint here that the T-50 is balanced, hold you breath for a sec and think about all those factors.
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Honestly, with 2mgs and a 45mm I kinda fail to see that. Sure it ain’t no panzer 4 or T28, but it’s still better than everything else in this regard too.
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Ye, i have to say im getting more and more frustrated, don’t want to discuss other issues here but man how can those things not be addressed for so long.
A lot of ppl pay for it as well as i do, so a fair experience should be the first priority. i know this game seems to have asymmetrical balance but that thing is above everything.
Edit: Does anyone know if the Gold Order P4 has those Heat rounds?
A: As I’ve researched myself it hasn’t those rounds.
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Didn’t you suggest a panzer 4 with heat rounds?
Yes. It’ll only affect the op T50. No other russian tank will be affected by it. And the panzer 4 will still be voulnrable to every soviet tank (except for t60).
On the other hand, the T34 will basically be like giving the T50 a 76mm gun for nuking infantry. Just crazy op.
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A bit funny that Germans complain about T-50. Definetly not cause its the sole tank where the OHK Panzer IV struggles a bit.
Use the J.
After unlocking J it didnt really take long to come conclusion that it sucks ass just as much against T-50 as PZ4. Just with worse inf capabilities.
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Pz3J has ok speed, awful turret traverse speed, and ok armor. It can pen a T-60, T-26, BT-7, T-28 (i am not sure about T-28E). While T-50 has very good mobility, ok turret traverse speed, and 45mm cannon that can penetrate every tank that Axis have, armor that can be penetrated ONLY with 75mm cannon upclose only, (do we count Grb here?). Pz4E should be on lvl 29 not Pz3J cuz its way better.
Good turret traverse speed, ok armor, ok speed, good 75mm cannon, ok mobility.
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Answer to this is sadly… “because gaijin wants money from p2w premium”…
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I’d use the panzer 4J if it was an actual equal counter. But right now, it’s just a joke.
Axis players almost always only use the panzer4s cause they’re the only tanks worth using, you just gotta pray that the enemy either has no T50s or that they don’t know what they’re doing.
True. Making T-50 so powerful without many counters it possibly annoyed enough Axis players to buy it.
But the more people support idea of HEAT shells to balance tanks the more likely it is that they will change it in the future.
Oooh hold on.
T-50 is not invulnerable, even from regular tanks. Both pz4 and the pz3j can deal with it. It’s harder sure, but it’s done when tanking smartly.
T-50 is best Moscow tank yes. But let’s be glad it’s not straight up t-34 like it historically should be 
(In fact I’m a bit sad about it, I want t-34…)
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So, ignoring the fact that you don’t get a plausible counter to it till lvl22, yes, you are right, you can get rid of a T50 in these tanks…
…if the T50 players is retarded or you get lucky. You’ve either got to flank it (which is difficult as it’s much more agile than anything the germans have) or you have to pen the left side of the mantlet. And good luck with that, as the hitboxes are (at least from my experience) glitched. You have to shoot around 4-5x (that number increases with range) before you get a hit that does something. That’s plenty of time for the T50 to shoot you and pen you, cause it can do that literally anywhere.
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