Why we shouldn't make this game hardcore

On one cap point I was surrounded by like 4 enemies, one injured me and I panic-retreated, then next guy entering got a headshot from me after looking at me and pointing his gun at me. He was a teammate, and I saw the triangle above him for like 5 seconds before killing him, just my mind failed to register it.
Afterwards I needed like 30 seconds on the spawn screen to get myself together, that headshot felt that bad.

Sorry for anyone being teamkilled by me! :pensive: :candle:

Agree.
I think there would be better, if the Devs want to keep Hardcore, that do it, but with a different, separated mode. Bring back the simple Lone Fighter mode like in old times.

There is a lot of deficiency in Hardcore mode now…
Many instructions are missing, like “Press F button if you want to get in vehicle” and other simple texts as well to inform palyers about different things…interaction with vehilce/equipment etc…so dumb thing that they removed that simple thing…and i could keep sayng other problems…

I think theres would be good, if you kill someone teammate, the aim turns blue for a sec, and you got a message, like “that was a teammamte boi” (i know theres is message bottom of the screen, bot most of the players dont care about FF)

I hope they wont try Battle Royale ever at all… :weary:

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i have seen alot of those posts regarding the hardcore lone fighter.

well, yes, but at the same time, no.

the initial intent wasn’t hardocore that’s for sure.

but if you scroll through suggestions and lots of comments, i remember being filled with people asking for hardcore. so, the devs jus made those wishes truee.

which, i don’t think it has to be deleted. because, after all, devs decided to listen those suggestions, feedbacks and deliver.

my personal thought about this whole gamemode, it’s not bad, but not good either.

although, i have to admit that unfortunately did not " covered " the issue that was meant to adress. the lone fighter in the first place. while i love the hardcore, not everyone is suited for nor like it.

hardcore is more for slow phased battles, coordinates attacks, and above all, trigger discipline. so that avoids grenade spams, artillery spams, precise bomb runs, and many others more " serious " aspects instead of normal rush and kill that enlisted is used to.

so, perhaps the lone fighter it self and the hardcore should be separated gamemodes.

problem is, both requires works behind it. at the point where none of them are actually better than the other. and even further, splits the playerbase. and threads abot bots will rise even more.

and if you don’t mind, i would like to adress some of your points. not because " you are wrong and i’m right ". but because i’m not sure you are following the principles of the main intent in the first place.

as far as i can see, lone fighters hardcore matches are having less team kills than the first times, because people are becoming catious. you don’t wanna lose xp, and therefore ruin someone else live. as such you don’t want to screw things off. and be actually like real life. where you know, you wait before shooting. that’s trigger discipline.

one of they key aspects of hardcore.

that’s somewhat also the main point.
you drive around, wait for a signal, and actually relay on coordination. not just drop a bomb and if you are luckly, you get alot of enemy kills with no backdraws. if you are not lucky, you just don’t kill any target and go back to refill.

in this way, airplanes have to play more " safier " and be more accurate in bomb runs. just to somewhat simulate real life pilots.

not really, you and the people that actually play LF, they have to adopt the trigger discipline, so that you avoid friendly fire accident.

perhaps i agree that this system should be perhaps revisited. still don’t know how, but many things can be camed up with.

anyway,

i think it is reasonable.
but as i said, it just need lots of work.
( as i somewhat suggested in my previous thread: Lone Fighter: The Bad, The Good & The Ugly ( how to eventually fix it ) )

it just needs works behind it in order to fully make it functional.

well… that’s how hardcore works.

you see, i don’t particulary blain you, for not understanding something that you don’t like.

and i agree. people that used to play the older LF are not very confortable by playing the new LF. and therefore, people that used to play the LF i don’t see why they are obligued to play something that they don’t like.

i think, it’s just a matter of time before old lf it’s going to be reintroduced.

but on the other hand, it created the situation ( for me, and couple of others ) that we don’t like our hardcore getting removed. because we think, on our end, that hardcore is better than older LF.

so i hope that devs keep both of them.

but we’ll have to see.

one way or another, we’ll have to wait.

cheers.

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Even I don’t agree to quite a lot of your ideas, I still need to say you are a true gentleman. I admire that.
I think keeping them both would be the most reasonable solution to this dilemma, as I also understand the flavor for hardcore. The reason against this would be, as you said before, splitting the playerbase.
I hate to admit it makes sense that gaijin shouldn’t have introduced LF at the beginning because we don’t have much active players to be splitted right now in 2021. New separate modes could work, but not right now.

I was also amazed when I checked his footages, seeing he did not kill any teammate in the church when teammates and enemy coming altogether. But shot by teammate.
What I want to supplement here is, when talking about disciplines, in most cases we can only ask ourself to do so, we can barely restrict the others to follow what we thought is “consensus”.

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Probably the most important problem of single fighters is online, there has never been a full team of the enemy or the team.

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i’m… not a gentelman, like, i’m not a man in the first place :sweat_smile:.

but, thanks for the kind words :ok_woman:

agreed.

i see. and if i have to be honest, i can’t be really angry towards the removal of hardcore. although, brings something new, and fun for me. it would be sad that they are going to remove just when it has been introduced.

but if it’s for the “good” of the game, so be it.

indeed.
enlisted wasn’t really ment to be LF. but people kept asking, and after all, can’t blain them as delivered incomes for those who don’t like bots.

and one more gamemode kills the playerbase as it’s somewhat, " small ".

mistakes happens. and that was very unfortunate. can’t conplain there.

and perhaps, as i mentioned somewhere else, the hardcore shouldn’t be avaialbe for everyone until a certain level ( perhaps level 10. so people know what to do and know how the games work) . but i don’t know.

yeah, some system should be introduced as well. and that’s the prooblem of leaving the ability to everyone to play this gamemode.

but i’m confident that with time, ( as i somewhat saw ) team kills decrease each time, because people can become smart after getting kicked from the match for many tks.

but that’s what i think.

best regards.

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I never saw this but this is a darn good idea.

It’s been like 3 days since the update and I don’t see significant improvement till now. I am also waiting. Teamkill isn’t really that torturing, but is greatly amplified by hidden HUD.

God, I wish the devs could just make a schedule instead of throw out everything immediately without discussing. Maybe they did, but I can’t see.

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The main reason why I play this game is the one shot kills, that already is by definition of many a “hardcore” game,

Now team kills and a missing HUD are kinda fitting, but they dont need to be a thing for me to enjoy playing the game.
Then again, I only play the squad mode, in my opinion the “lone fighter mode” would only make sense to me, if there wasn’t any AI at all, also spawning next to your teammates reminds me why I hate the modern Battlefield games, really destroys the “flow” of the game.

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You can play in lone fighters from 3 lvl campaing

I agree to keep the LF and hardcore mode both.

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Then the number of lone fighters will decrease completely

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personally, i wouldn’t mind playing with bots.

at the end of the day, if the game allows me and others to play their favorite gamemode i guess it’s the best.

but as far as i’m seeing, people still complain about LF made out of bots.

so i don’t know… i don’t speak for everyone.

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It’s fun to play against bots,but either the entire opposing team is bots and yours too, or you don’t have to.Either balance 5 players against 5 players and 15 bots each.

The one who speaks for everyone is a liar.

Do you play Allied? I want to add your friends in the game

I don’t agree, because I like hardcore. What I do agree with is the simple control hints and hud that can stay. They can just make two modes, hardcore and regular. I would like to play hardcore on squad as well. The bad thing about hardcore is the occasional troll that comes and and knocks you around or breaks your stuff. I had one kid that kept killing me, and I just started hunting him down. That whole game was just me hunting this kid down until he eventually left.

i play both ( germany a bit more)

you’re not the first one :joy:

but due to my lack of time, i generally only play during weekends with a bouch of friends.

nothing personal, but i don’t usually play with people that i don’t know.
due to bad experiences and just like i tried on a discord one time, i’m barely active to even try to keep up with all the friends that i made over the years.

i know it sounds a weird brag, and you could argue that i somewhat use this forum more than i play ( which it’s somewhat truee ), but as i said in others comments, it’s easier for me to use the forum due to " dead " times in my day. ( on public transports, waiting, smart working, yada yada yada ).

so i’m afraid this cannot be done.

Sorry, :frowning: .

Nobody made you the ambasssador of the community. no idea why so many people have such inflated egos that they think they can divine the will and wishes of the community like this.

I disagree with everything you said

Ok,fine

I’ve put Enlisted aside until they revert those changes, since they destroyed the gameplay of Lone Fighters. The changes are completely against Enlisted’s style of gameplay. They don’t make the game, ugh, “hardcore”. They just make it annoying.

I’ve written a more detailed post about it to give my two cents: Lone Fighters UI changes don't fit Enlisted's gameplay and must be reverted