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Probably because a good german pilot can completely stop your push. Imagine if you had two of them at the same time.
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thank god an avarage A20 Us pilot can’t completely stop my push, phew
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Because the 2 sides are not an exact copy of eachother. Every faction has its pro’s and cons
I mean, Germany has better CAS while US has better air superiority. A20 however beats German CAS, and when you get better air superiority while having a second plane that is a better CAS, the pros and cons fall apart a bit.
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And what is the “cons” of the American side?
Not having fg42 on every single soldier
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True. But, Fg42 isn’t worth much if two planes bomb out your squad. And not even when you need to destroy a camper jumbo, on invasion map. You say a very small advantage while there are huge benefits on the other side. And the situation is getting worse. More and more people are learning to fly and more and more have unpenetrable tank. Perhaps Fg42 or Mg34 / 42 is a slightly bigger advantage in conquest. I don’t understand the FG42 either. Why not Stg44? I dont know. But then that’s it. 2-3 better small arms ( and Americans also have better small arms, for example M1903A1 or PIAT ). Where are the other “pros”? As nomadbard said, it matters less to have a better plane if the enemy has two.
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yeah because the a-20 is the only american CAS that can be objectively good while germany gets the bf110 rockets, their 109s carry a 250 kilo bombs compared to the mustang’s 98 kilo bomb load, hell ju-188’s bomb load is better than the a-20’s with a-20 getting 1 tons worth of bombs while ju’s is 1.5 tons. so the only thing objectively overshadows the germans is their tanks and BAs
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“overshadows the germans is their tanks”
I think that explains everything. The Germans have worse tanks. Not a few. Worse.
You have listed a lot of data. This is good. You just forget a few things. For American planes, you only counted once. If the ju-188 can drop 1.5 tons of bombs that’s more. But two A-20s can drop two tons ( rather only 1.8 ). That’s even more. And there is a machine gun on the A-20. And on ju-188 there isn’t. The protective machine guns don’t work either. I may have fewer bombs. But I can shoot the enemy. Then who finally has the better plane? Meanwhile, another plane can bomb safely.
It is true that Bf-110 missiles or the Bf-109 bomb are better. But you always face overpowering. Maybe you take off one or both. But it is more likely that one of the two planes will be behind you. Most of the time when you go to reload.
Then who has the advantage? I think we agree that this is with the Americans. But, I didn’t say they didn’t have that advantage. That’s okay. And mostly realistic. I just don’t see where the compensation would be on the other side. No better tanks ( only worse ), no better AA guns ( Moreover, the approx. it’s only when I always carry an engineer squad, because my team never builds, in vain I ask. ) no better AT guns. And I’m not saying it’s always a problem. But it happens more and more that we don’t know what to do with jumbo ( or two ) and/or air superiority on the invasion map. And you can say that because we are lame. But I would be surprised if I were alone with this problem.
I think the Americans can have one fighter and one attack plane. Not two attack planes. Not 100% certain about this but have not seen 2 a20 at the same time that I know of.
I started off playing as the Germans and finished that campaign. I felt the Germans where overpowered when I played them and it started to feel really boring. The biggest pre they had was the weapons, the fg42 sniper is ridicuously strong, the mgs felt loads better, the fg42 is insane and turns each squad into troopers and assaulters. The Germans have an actual smg in the Beretta that was really strong. The best close quarters for Americans is the shotgun because the other smgs feel sluggish and a garant does a better job.
The Germans are defending which gives a huge advantage.
The German bomber is A LOT stronger then the American counterparts. I did not have to try and get 20-25 kills each bomb run. With the a20 you have to play good to reach those and most of the time they are more like 10-15 kills.
The Pz4 is quite a strong tank, Jumbo is better but its not a walkover to kill a Pz4 at all.
I finished the American campaign and wanted to select the join as any army but I keep playing Americans because I have to try to win instead of just win by default play the Germans.
don’t think it’s possible to spawn 2 a-20s at the same time, because a-20 is an attack aircraft so it takes up that slot. but how about the bf109’s get their payload nerfed in exchanged to be able to spawn with a ju or 110 since my main concern is the CAS power if an unnerfed bf109 in an infantry focused game. also it would be cool to have the rear gunners turned on for planes that had them like a-20, the Ju’s in both campaigns, and 110s
Also the reason I think the jumbos dont get bombed that much is because the bomber is so extremely strong that killing a tank with 5 crew is losing xp when you do it.
Noticed this as well today. We just got bombed to hell by the 2 american planes. No chance.
Ok… let’s try to be logic.
It is correct and even nice to have different kind of advantages or disadvantages for the two faction, like it’s not a real MIRROR as it can’t be.
So i can understand the point of the Dev’s about giving more Air Superiority to the US and more Close Air Support efficency to the Axis. But they clearly made a lot of mistakes in this.
First of all, the American Bomber is NOT that less powerful respect of the German one.
Secondary the if we assume that it’s totally not possible to fly a bomber when an enemy fighter is around, we can also assume that when the enemy can deploy 1 fighter and 1 bomber the result of the two sides is gonna be as follows “1 Fighter and 1 Bomber for the US side - 0 Bomber and MAYBE 1 fighter for the Axis side” And here it fails completly the Dev’s idea of the advantage on CAS for the Axis as they are actually not allowed to fly a bomber if the enemy doesn’t want to.
Conclusion: Nice try Dev’s, good idea… but no, it’s not working 
So please get in your mind something else to provide different advantages and disadvantages but make EVEN the number of the planes as soon as you can because this is getting really kind of
ridiculous.
Well Nactall, you said some correct things, there is a difference between the M2 Carabine and FG42, and a bigger difference between the Sniper M1 garand and FG42 II.
Still even the M2 Carbine can be given to any trooper and so it’s not just the German having a weapon wich can turn any soldier in Assoulter role, they both have it, even if i agree that FG42 is better, still both sides have the chance to get any trooper with an AUTO weapon.
For the bomber i’m sorry i do not agree with you. A20 is not as worse as you said compared to the JU 188. The A20 has less bombs but bigger and the JU has more bombs but smaller. In the end the Germans has 500 kg of bombs more then the US, that means that if are good enough to locate 3 different enemy spot and drop the 3 couple of bombs in 3 different spot then yes you have a larger coverage, but as we know it’s absolutly not easy to have 3 different target and drop them all, most of the times bombers drop in the same spot and that makes the couple of 500 kg bombs of US usually easyer to use and easyer to hit the spot. So maybe we have difference in those planes, but the german one is NOT that overpower compared to the US one.
For the Tank, well… it’s tolerable, Jumbo is bit better then Pz4 but not that much. If the 2 tanker are not that skilled they wouldn’t even feel the difference, the problem comes when we have 2 skilled tankers, wich they know theyr veichle and how to use it, in these situation the Pz4 have no chance aganist the Jumbo in a fair and balanced situation of encounter, but still it’s tolerable.
In the end i would say that even if i totally agree with you with the clearly advantage the Axis has for the FG42, this doesn’t make a point in the discussion we are doing about planes. It’s not like you balance FG42 giving the US 1 Fighter and 1 bomber vs 1 Axis plane making them not allowed to have a bomber if the US doesn’t want. This makes no sense.
you’re right because they are equal terms with a-20 getting guns while the ju gets .5 more tons of tnt 
the rule is actually 1 fighter pilot and 1 attacker pilot, there is no bomber pilot class, which if you give that rule to the axis you’ll get the ability for a bf110 and bf109 to spawn at the same time which isn’t remotely balanced due to the allies having to aim their payloads to insure kills outside of the a-20 that needs to be nerfed same with the 110
Well Ricky, i even counted wrong the Tons of TNT wich is 2000 / 2Couple for the US and 1500 / 3 Couple for the Axis wich means the Allies has even more explosive to drop, but this was not the point i was trying to make. The real difference is that Axis can drop 3 spot and A20 can drop 2 spot with a larger and powerful Impact. So imho they are kinda balanced, german one is not OP.
Then yes i know there is no “Bomber” class, i wasn’t saying the correct exact word wich is “Attacker Pilot” just to be faster, i think anybody understand be when i said “bomber”. Maybe it’s true that if you apply the actual rule to both sides then it’s still not balanced because of the kind of the planes we have, but still, the way to solve this is to balance the planes itselves, for sure ACTUALLY is the worst balance ever, if the Allies wanna use planes, the German can only choose among 3 options… Having 1 Fighter wich must care of the enemy Fighter if he wanna stay alive and letting the enemy Bomber free, or having 1 Fighter caring about enemy bomber and being insta killed by enemy fighter so being useless, or just don’t care about the sky and being bombed. So maybe true it would be still umbalanced if they even the number of the planes, but still more balanced then the actual situation. And still, the way to solve this is to balance the planes itselves, NOT giving the nemey the double of the airplanes in the sky making for the other side completly impossible to have a bomber.
never said it was OP, though the payload of ju when converted to imperial units is around 3000 pounds or 1.5 tons compared to the a-20 which is 1 ton of explosives
yeah it would be unbalanced since the germans get their first attacker at level 4 with the 110 and then their first fighter at level 12 while the american attacker class comes in at level 18, not to mention the much better CAS option when it comes to those 2 when compared to their american counter parts with the bf109 having a slightly better turn time, better armenments for air to air and air to ground since the 2 mustang bombs equate to 98 kilos in total. but we could give germany the rule to spawn an attacker and a fighter at the cost of the 110 losing the rockets since the guns work well enough