I was testing out the VMP1926; honestly, I’m glad this weapon has returned since I wanted it for my collection of unique German firearms. However, it’s hard to ignore that its stats aren’t exactly top-tier for a BR3 weapon by the game’s current standards. Its actual performance felt more like that of the BR2 Beretta M38/42. I’d say several older weapons could use some stat tweaks to make them viable in combat, for instance, the MP-41(r) still holds its own (though a damage boost wouldn’t hurt to help it compete with the Thompsons 8.2 damage and the 1200-RPM PPSh-41 box). Anyway, I think it would be good to keep these details in mind so the opportunity presented by their return doesn’t go to waste.
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The 41r doesnt just hold its own its pretty broken for br 3 because its just a ppsh box but better with better damage, better damage drop and more rate of fire . The TT thompsons are pretty meh they lack the velocity and dispersion
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Well, you are not wrong that VMP is a BR worse than M1928A1 Thompson and PPSh41 (stick mag), but it’s also definitely a BR better than MP38, M3A1 greese gun.
SMGs in BR3 are honestly over compressed and they could easily get split into two BRs.
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In that regard yes, it’s practically ASMR for the Assault class; the sound is literally more pleasant than the PPSh’s. The Thompson’s main strength is generally its damage, but they don’t really perform well until you get to the BR4 version; that’s why the BAR remains the backbone of the Allies’ arsenal in BR3 alongside the M1 Garand.
In that regard, yes; although, given that it’s a rare and uncommon weapon, I think an upgrade would be good.
The game or rather, the developers doesn’t seem very interested in making certain adjustments. The PPD-34 with 70 rounds at BR4 and the PPS-43 at BR2 are prime examples of this; meanwhile, Japan at BR4 has a 20-round “assault rifle” whose only strength is dealing more damage than a BR2–3 Thompson and if that’s not enough, there’s also a version with a larger magazine but significantly lower damage.
And people keep telling me that there’s no such thing as BR2 SMG power creep.
It’s actually insane how much BR2 SMG power creep has ruined the low BRs. There’s basically nothing but SMGs at BR2.
Germany alone, as a faction, has about 20+ BR2 SMGs, if we take into account all event, premium, BP, and TT BR2 SMGs. It’s ridiculously overbloated.
They should seriously raise the BR of at least half of them to BR3.
To this day, I still don’t understand why, for example, the M1A1 Thompson is BR2. It doesn’t belong there at all. It’s a Tier 4 weapon.
A mediocre and well-balanced BR2 SMG for the US used to be the M3A1. M1A1 is extreme powercreep compare to it.
The VMP is a perfectly fine, mediocre BR3 SMG.
But whatever. It’s not like I am playing the game so much I used to play it back then. It’s just getting keep worse. It’s not fun anymore.
And largely because of the nonsensical BR changes that came from the players themselves.
It’s just frustrating to see it.
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People also says that Soviet body armor don’t affect in combat XD
It’s true that Germany has the largest number of SMGs, but at the same time, there are several that ought to be BR2 but are classified as BR3—which makes no sense. The only ones in their tech tree that somewhat fit BR3 are the MP35 and the ZK383 (though even the ZK is a stretch, given that the PPS-43 has similar capabilities and a 5-round larger magazine yet sits at BR2).
The situation with the Thompson is just as you described: they simply increased the recoil, but the weapon itself hasn’t changed much it deals 8.2 damage with a fire rate of around 700 RPM in its BR2 version (which for some reason requires an absurd amount of XP to unlock for a BR2 weapon). It’s practically an STG or even better, really since the STG deals 9.6 damage but doesn’t even break 650 RPM.
One thing that’s undeniable is that playing at BR2–3 is much harder now; you can really tell that veterans are frequently switching tiers. Low BRs used to be a relax area, but now it’s a slaughterhouse filled with veterans, noobs, and everyone else in between.
That thing is fine on br2 considering the dogshit velocity and dispersion if you wanna cry about power creep at least be up to date
Unlike the Thompson the StG has very good dispersion, 0 recoil and good velocity
6.8 dmg is an important upgrade on top of nice dispersion and normal damage drop (if you didnt know the soviet smgs have bad damage drop) but yea german smgs on br 3 could use some love
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I think his whole argument is that there are lots of br2 guns that should of never gone there, not specifically the thompson. Pretty sure he knows in the current state of br2 it’s fine.
I too think br2 has become a bit much and it feels more like what br3 used to be. Definitely gets worse the more non TT stuff a player has and uses.
Its just ridiculous how broken some non TT weapons are its the cancer of low br.
The biggest offenders are the 30cal Thompson and TKB 336
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Using the STG is essentially like using an MP40 but with more damage and range; and yes, damage drop-off over distance is a major factor to consider. It’s just that, since the Soviets (for example) have body armor, SMGs are relatively inefficient against them, whereas their own weapons don’t suffer that significant penalty.
I think 9mm rounds should generally deal 7 points of damage; that way, the 8mm Nambu could deal 6.8 or 6.9, and the 7mm rounds could be at 6.6 or 6.7 I’m referring strictly to damage here, not bullet velocity or anything else.
in BR3 I mostly use the MP35 because of its damage, as well as my MP41(r); as alternatives, I run MG34 squads or flamethrower troops equipped with the all-purpose VG1-5, thanks to the event guns i also started to play more BR4 since Breda PG is very good alongside the Cei Rigotti and the beautiful Mauser MKB42 (MKB39)
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I’m pretty sure you shouldn’t be putting your dumb opinions into my mouth.
Current state of BR2 is just tragic.
But it’s not like I have any hopes this game is redeemable in any way. Especially with this kind of playerbase.
I had my fun. And well, now let the game change for the worse, for all I care. If that’s what its current playerbase wants.
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I’d say things really changed once they started trying to drive up sales with biased squads but in the wrong way compounded by constant bugs and game issues. A huge reason for BR2’s decline is the matchmaking; for instance, with Japan, many players avoid BR3 because the Soviets are so strong there. With the Germans, I’d say it’s largely down to uptiers as well; under the current system, you can take a squad of fully BR1 units and get wrecked by some random player with BR3 gear who happens to be in the match simply because the matchmaking focuses on filling slots rather than balancing teams.
Now, just imagine how many players are stuck at low BRs trying to grind out that 25k every 48 hours; it’s simply unbearable.
I wondered how long you will tolerate him ahahahha 
This was a god send for the allies in br3, i really disliked only having that slow round available and nothing with a standard smg velocity. The 20rd mag really hinders it, I have no issue with it being there. Actually makes the thompson feel good to use. If only we got a bigger mag for br4/5.
The TKB itself fits the BR, it’s just the dispersion. Honestly think all MGs should have low dispersion. The new lewis mg feels awful to use, got bullets manifesting and flying out of thin air.
That’s literally what i said you implied. Maybe you just didn’t read it right?
Good job throwing a fit over nothing, and calling you’re own opinions dumb since “my opinion” was in fact your opinion
This is impossible
Just for your own good delete that comment before adamnpee see it xD
I don’t give a shit? He’s had a stick up his ass for a couple years now.
It should be at BR 4.
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