PIIs are the easiest ones to kill with the AT rifle, imo.
well they have a small crew which helps - TBH I haven’t really used the soviet ATR’s much recently 'cos of their total uselessness in CBT - have they actually given them reasonable performance now?
The new infantry is fine, though I personally highly dislike the introduction of another essentially useless class making drawing lots increasingly more annoying in my opinion An option to upgrade Class I versions into Class II versions would be nice.
Tank wise I am really against them adding anything that is less than a PZ IV to the Moscow campaign.
It is already questionable what we have right now with the:
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Pz II C: About 75 were built and most of the early versions of the Pz II had been lost or decommissioned for battle by '41 after finding out they are useless against tanks in france.
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Pz III B: They were all decommisioned after poland
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Pz III E: Only ~100 had been built and those were mostly lost or had been replaced for the most part by newer varients in mid '41 when the invasion of the Soviet Union started after they were proven to be insufficient in france.
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Pz IV E: Essentially the only one among the German tanks in the Moscow campaign that took part in the “battle for Moscow” and is the only non Premium tank that is not completly outclassed by its Soviet Counterpart
Continuing on now with the Pz III J with the short version of the 5cm gun(that part is histroically accurate at least, there were only ~40 new J with the long 5cm gun), while giving the Soviets another OP tank compared to the German counterpart(40mm turret in the front angled 45mm front-Hull => impossible to fight from front while giving a Gun that can pen any German Tank front on up to 500m and better maneuverability.)
As a side note, there had been about 70 T-50 produced overall before its production ended again after ~6 months in Jan '42. Of those only around 40 had been armed to begin with and they were used on the Leningradeer front, not Moscow, before a good number of those were sent off to the caucasus front.
I admit that there really is not a lot to pick from in that time frame as T-34 and KW-1, had only begun production after the Invasion and were few and far in between during '41. Furthermore they would be even more op than the T-50 with the current German line up.
What the devs should have done in my opinion is to have the T-40 as first tank for the soviets, as second the T-26 and as 3rd the BT-7m/BT-8. That way they could now introduce the T-60 which had started production in '41 similiarly to the Pz III J. It would be accurate and the overall balance between the currently existing German line up and the Soviet line up would overall be better. The T-60 can still pen the Pz III E frontally, while being able to use its mobility against the heavier Pz III J that was noticeably slowed down by the armor upgrade the Pz III received from the H version onwards(30+30 on the H, 50 something on the J). The Pz IV E and T28 could stay as is.
As it stands now they have to somewhat revise the tanks in the Moscow campaign. If they do not want historic accuracy they should at least make it balanced gameplay wise. Right now the tanks in the Moscow campaign are neither balanced nor historically accurat.
The Pz III M and for that matter most of all Panzer III had been wiped out during stalingrad and the Africa campagne. Of the overall about 5.7K produced Pz III over 4.8K had been destroyed or lost just from Jan '41 until Dec '43. The few remaining Pz III had been decomissioned for battle in early '44 and were only used for training or support tasks. It is fair to compare the J with Chaffe as such gameplay-wise, but it is very unfair for the Germans to get another “useless” Pz III when they already have one with the Pz III N and a scout with the Panzerspähwagen Sd.Kfz. 234/2 (Panzerspähwagen litterally means Armored Scout-car) that was only produced for 100 units.
In my opinion we should be getting the Sd.Kfz. 234/2 along the chaffe now instead of having it as first tank in nromandy for the Germans. The Pz IV H should be the third and as counterpart for the Jumbo there should be a Pz V A they were the weakest variant of the Pz V series and had already been common in the later phase in Africa and the eastern front in '43.
Overall the infantry part seems to be going in a good direction but the problems on the tank part just keeps getting worse in my opinion
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If you know where to hit the ammo rack on the PZII it is a cinch to one-shot them. On the right side of the tank there’s even a dent practically marking where the ammo rack is.
I’ve made it work on every map, even the ‘city’ because rooftop PTRD sniping is still a lot safer than trying to close in with a det pack. Really the city map is the only one where the GzB would be the best choice imo.
Being able to go prone in a bush somewhere makes you virtually invisible to tanks while you’re filling them full of holes. The biggest threat while tank hunting with antimaterial rifles is getting sniped by a bot.
There is no harship in blowing up tanks of either faction with det packs in Moscow or Normandy. Just hold them until the trooper throws them on his own and aim for the tanks site. So long as they land under, on or next to the tank itt will explode or at the very least be immobilized and receive significant dmg. Have not tested it for the Berlin campagne yet.
Esp. for the German anti-tank squads it is a massive bother to attack tanks with anti-tank gun in Moscow making it not worth it unless there is too much infantry on the way to close in of throwing range
This goes back to an earlier conversation I had here.
Do we really need more armour/ self propelled Anti Tank etc. I don’t really think we do.
I don’t want to see generic heavy armour, I’d rather see recon/ light support tanks like the Sdkfz 140/251/222.
But again, this game needs MUCH BIGGER maps to even make those useful.
I expect they will be all over the map and some quite well hidden/ protected so that it will be a challenge. but then again, teams at present can barely function on main objectives, let alone secondaries
I would say at present it is, but once they have a number of campaigns running, it will be much easier and less noticeable.
I some what disagree, I much prefer the campaign system as it feels like it bases the fighting to a specific time/ place, where as a year bracket would just feel alot more… boring?
Like, the Moscow campaign makes you feel like your defence has to hold, whereas a generic 1941/42 campaign would drastically change course to being just a red army vs german shooter with no real point
Kinda why i think tanks should be replaced with armoured cars or light armour at best.
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See I think it’s more than just bots that will snipe you. That Halo-sniper-esque trail the shots leave behind make it trivial for anyone paying attention to pinpoint your location.
It’s scarcity of detpacks and having to cross the map through infantry to kill the tank sometimes.
Antimaterial rifles can keep firing and if you can see a tank you can pen it just as well as you could at close range.
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There are no “anti-material rifles” in this game - let’s leave the anachronistic and a-historical nonsense to Darkflow please - players can do better!! 
armored car = tank now I guess
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As it was then 
My impressions is that I’ll have to grind the equivalent of 20 days just to get to the point to grind out one of those levels for one of my factions. I honestly think the progression system is hot garbage. Every time new content shows up just ad it in to the pile, pile it up, pile it up, keep on piling so nobody will get it without paying for their salvation.
Although I do agree with you for tanks, I’d love to see a wolverine, or some more armoured cars, or some half tracks. They just add better and better equipment making anything else they can add redundant with the way the progression is.
The German anti tank rifles in Moscow are generally useless. Furthermore there is no scarcity of Det Packs you can give every man in your Squad more than one detpack, while only needing a single one to blow up a tank
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Progression is a terrible mess. Stacking more new things on top of it will only make that fact more apparent. Otherwise new free content is always good.
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We’re adding a US smg 
At level 29 
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Thompson and beretta are nice, but the tommy at level 29 maybe too far away, chaffee is gonna be the best tank upcoming, and the premium squads for normandy like the g41 isn’t going to sell very well due to the fact that you can unlock the g43, a magazine fed instead of clip fed semi auto, the Johnson maybe more.
Skill issue.
I’ve been shot out of the turret of the T-60, T-26, and BT-7 at long range by it.
I have no problem shooting out the crews of the mentioned tanks. But it is far to inefficient when i can just blow up the whole tank with a detpack i have on squads i can also efficiently use overwise in closer proximity or mark it and hope the planes/tanks do their job and continue on with whatever role I fulfill at the time. If it really comes down to me dying I would rather use a tank or hop into a bomber than go for the anti tank squad to deal with
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It is very disappointing that we are not having replacements for Italian and British weapons where they shouldn´t be. And it is outright stupid to add tanks that either will probably be too strong (T-50) or unhistorical (Chafee).
On the other hand, at least we are not getting premium squads with automatic weapons.
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