lol we thought of the same game
Its a very good example of F2P progression done right
For all it’s faults it is a pretty good example of a F2P model.
Or TF2 - best guns are stock, except for medic i guess
Yeah TF2 is pretty much the pinnacle of the F2P model.
Perks in itself are in dire need for an attention, as some affect gameplay far too much.
But, back to the topic.
Also, I´m sorry, this will be very long opinion, as I also try to include possible solution.
Alright, I myself decided to purchase this pack (for Germany) and managed to create an opinion, that I would like to share with both camps (people defending them and people opposing them).
Problem: Premium squads offer huge in game advantage, that is just too much to bear. While this advantage is less evident when fighting more veteran players, even then it is still there.
That is pretty much at P2W level. 30 euro for best soldiers, best equipment, best perks (where some perks very existence is a mistake, to say at least)… and few more assaulter slots to add salt to the injury.
Now imagine being new player, first time joining invasion mode as Germany and getting shredded by these people right after sticking out your nose.
Let me ask defenders of premium squads one question: Is that okay? Please, use your most objective judgement. Let me just say, that gaming industry went on dark path at the very moment, when players accepted P2W and tried to justify or even excuse it.
If I compare both squads (that one is more subjective, as I cant play soviet premium squad), soviets still seem to be more cancerous, but Germans are more than enough of effective counter.
Question is, how we have gotten here, and what can be done about it.
This kind of monetization is clone of War Thunder. In fact, it is combination of worst aspects that War Thunder monetization can even offer. This is literally what testers who are also familiar with WT were worried about and I´m afraid that Enlisted won´t be able to escape this trend in the end.
What can be done about it?
Premium squads cannot be removed altogether, especially after so many people paid for it (we have to deal with this fact, no matter how much we don´t like it).
Firstly, they can and should be reworked to fit original idea about monetizing Enlisted (main selling point is them being unique, and faster progress). Secondly, their main weaponry should be balanced out to fit more with regular SMGs or just use squad with buffed and upgraded semi-auto (Yes, it stinks with P2W but let me defend this one: we still need squad to provide some kind of advantage that is not anywhere as drastic, lets call it additional motivation, not need, to spend money and fund the game). And thirdly these squads should still have same amount of premium soldiers who will however come with 0 stars and additional soldiers shouldn´t be all of same type.
Implications: Squads will still be stronger than regular ones, but not enough to motivate new players to uninstall the game, due to their lack of perks and nerfed damage/changed guns squad is using (I would probably advocate more for using semi-auto instead SMG for premium squad). Also additional slots full of assaulters will no longer pose problems. Yet squads will retain all their advantages of faster progress (unchanged from current state of premium squads), uniqueness and still being kind of stronger than regular squads (Semi auto is only usable but not OP when upgraded, otherwise its just pistol with extra recoil). This advantage will however become irrelevant against more veteran players over time, so everybody is happy.
Lastly, I know that monetization is extremely controversial, but Developers should really give these topics more active attention. We are your testers, we want your game to shine as much as you do, please allow us to help you make it shine (btw big thanks to Developers for getting rid of slot machine like interface of choosing perks, current visuals are far better, keep it up).
Damn, this was really longer than even I expected, if anybody managed to read to the end, I applaud and thank you.
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Agreed for the most part. My proposition would be to make them more cosmetic, aka let the normal players be able to unlock the PPK/MP41 but with a diffrent skin. Additionally, we need a perk rework to make these squads less overpowered.
I completely agree with all of this. The premium squads being almost cosmetic is needed. For instance if the add a battle of France front a premium squad could be the 6th Panzer division with a 5 star crew but needs to leveled out to be effective
they are pay to win
The premium troops are at the maximum level, in this respect they are also superior to the 1 or 2 star troops.
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I don’t like where this is going already.
The ability to have a full squad of assaulters with 35% health perks and weapons that are objectively better (MP-41 is superior in recoil parameters and single fire) reminds me of early war thunder ground forces when the T-34 Prototype sat at BR 2.0 (even lower than T-34 1940) for a good while.
This might get complicated in the future, given that MP-41 is as advanced as it gets in 1941 and I don’t think they will be adding STG-44’s to Barbarossa to ‘‘counter’’ the powercreep.
While we are at the topic of rewards and exclusives, weren’t the alpha testers rewarded with a TU-2 bomber in War Thunder?
I agree, that perks require rework (and surprisingly enough, its not off topic here), not quite because of the perks that RNG gives to regular soldiers (I mean yeah, over time there would be few Ivans or Fritzs who would be chads enough to require more shots, but far from enough to change outcome of entire battle, while RNG is nowhere near random, thus the chance is small) , but because they are too dangerously intertwined with premium squads (pretty much overriding need for RNG and possibly getting best of the best perks right on spot… and you have at least 4 of them)
Even if these perks weren’t the best of the best - you get like 5 perk re-roll points per soldier on the prem squad to select your fav perks.
I paid that DLC, and I find this game boring because of the veteran’s extreme OP guns. Only a super squad wont give you anything. And to get a proper squad/role/weapon progression, you have to use the original squad, and those squad just fked by those veterans. Only 1/4 of time you can use that super squad, but rest 3/4 time, you will be fked.
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They only come with 1 explosive per person, and normal squad can also do this. And getting explosives are hard from logistics, you have to leave many to your rest 2 infantry squads.
You only able to control 1 man in one time, rest of squad is useless. Bots just waste my SMG’s bullets. In most cases, the man you controlled will be the only one left for the rest of this squad. Having multiple squads having SMG or better weapons is more important than this super squad.
Except that’s not true. The veteran soldiers have much better AI than default soldiers, including the ability to take out downed players. Sure they die faster but that is the case with all soldiers. These guys at least get a handful of kills, or more, compared to 0 on default soldiers.
You can use it 1/3rd of the time as the respawn cycle is 2 deaths per spawn.
Every player will have one or more squads without automatics that will “get fucked” until they have both the premium squad, SMG and LMG squads. Again, only possible if you actually have the prem squad.
However, not at all in my previous matches. To make bots actually kill some one, you have to hide them and let them snip, not for CQC. Bots are always useless and only for a instant mobile respawn point.
So, this super squad is just make starting stage more easy for new players to fight against veterans. But still more weak than veterans’ squad.
If you want to say this game is just designed to be newcomers’ nightmare, and do give them any chance to fight against older players, no rank related matchmaking system, and no new players’ protection/advantage, and also game lacks depth and attractions for new players. At least RO2, a well known WW2 FPS with extreme unfriendly to new players, has more content to explore and has single player mode.
well, veteran’s, which i assume you mean experienced players, cannot be compared to the squad you actually get.
because we don’t get the same ammount of content nor we will ever be able to reach the same stuff that you get by this dlc that you bought.
which makes the game harder for everyone that didn’t bought the DLC.
you get smgs at 3 stars right on the bath,
when in perspective of a normal player it’s gonna take him, at least 3 days of game just to get a 3 star smg for only one guy.
best perks of the game while skipping the randomic perks selector, skipping the experience you have to make with each individual soldiers, and last but not least, skipping also the Level of the soldiers. meanings that you get veterans. and to farm veterans, you need entire months of " grind ".
not to mention, there are no squads in the game that has the ability to use 7 assaulters like the dlc one.
i do agree with you on this one.
doesn’t make much sense.
it depends from how you play with those squads. don’t expect to be a tank on foot. if you charge, most likely you are gonna die. so use tactics, covers, buildings and stay with your squad.
again, it really depends how someone plays.
in conclusion, the dlc it’s not balanced at all.
you can’t really complain about " veterans " when we got a wipe less than 1 week ago.
as it’s really hard to deal with those new squads.
cheers.