I’d say best way to improve the Stugs would be to give them their coaxial guns (added as modifications or made with them latewar) and pintle guns. They would be a lot more usable with MGs.
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I mean, I’m more of a British tanks guy myself, but with a general good knowledge of WW2 armoured designs even I could tell which one was the more advanced version…
Optics tend to be added with successive designs, not removed.
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Well hes got a point- they look very similar.
Also I think you are wrong, its always the later versions of soviet tanks that got the cupolas.
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Yeah, but that would be late versions of STUG III G. Mostly those with the roundish gun mantlet.
I also make my loadouts (as best) immersive and historical and base them off of year (1941,42,43,44,45) so I would appreciate it regardless. The more toys the better
That one is kinda bad in BR4, while it would be OP in BR3, a less armored version however would actually get used in BR3 from those who fundamentally like the vehicle like myself.
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The boxy mantlet could have a hole drilled into it and a machine gun coaxially mounted, and it actually came on production box mantlets far earlier from what I’ve seen, in June 1944, whereas it was added to cast Topfblende mantlets in October 1944. The box mantlets actually stayed in production until the end of the war due to a lack of casting molds. Probably since it was easier to change the welded mantlets than the cast mantlets.
That’s not exactly early to be honest, STUG III G started production in end of 1942 and was used right after Stalingrad was done.
1944 is pretty much the last year of war.
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And you can use the Panzer IV J at the same BR and bring it into Tunisia if you want, which also came from 1944. Earlier in 1944, but still, quite late. I think latewar stuff like that would be a good addition since it would make those casemates far more usable.
Well i am not trying to make a balance argument here, im just saying … well cuz you specifically said it came quite early.
This is a very flawed logic at best.
The main gun on a vehicle is not everything, especially so in Enlisted as the infantry comes into play. You have to take account of the vehicle’s armor(even the side/roof armor matters as the vehicles with such part of the armor being thick enough even shrugs off those thrown TNT pack by infantry unless it’s thrown at the very specific part of the vehicle, examples are KV series and KT), The availability of coaxial machine gun, and finally, the existence of working turret.
Lacking some of those i mentioned above in enlisted puts the vehicle into a serious disadvantage and you should know it too had you driven some of those vehicles in enlisted. There’s a good reason that the most of casemated vehicles are very unpolular in enlisted and people rarely uses them even when they possesses much superior gun than the other vehicles at their BR.
And we are talking about the SU-85 here. It lacks both the working turret and working MG, mediocre armor at best(It’s 45mm sloped but the degree of slope is much less steep than the one on T-34 and ended up having much inferior protection than that of T-34), poor maximum horizontal gun traverse angle as well as shit gun depression degree(The hallmark of russian tanks at this point)that SU-85 clearly belongs to BR 3.
That being said, if the addition of SU-85 happens in Enlisted I’d like to see that the Jagdpanzer 4 also comes down to BR 3 from BR 4 because as a faction, Germany lacks a vehicle with working frontal protection on BR 3 and could use some of that.
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Hm. Once again… BRIV gun in 3.
So if you need that then i think germany can get the nashorn… but then you will inherently be against that.
We can agree to disagree… because to me i think it doesn’t belong here at all.
I wouldn’t oppose to the idea of getting Nashorn on BR 3(We already have flak bus with 88mm and Dicker Max with 105mm gun on BR 3 and i don’t think that the Nashorn would be superior to them anyway).
I’m wondering that what made you think that i would oppose to the idea actually.
And you keep saying that the 85mm is BR 4 gun. Well think this way, the gun is only BR 4 because it’s mounted on a proper tank with working turret and coaxial MG with at least working/good armor. SU-85 lacks all of that. In that context, would you still be so adamant about that it doesn’t belong on BR 3?
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it’s just like a stug III G
To back up what you’ve said… there’s plenty of higher guns a tier down if they’re on an otherwise weaker vehicle. For example the 8.8 Flak at BR III. That thing dies if you sneeze at it.
The SU85 seems like a great idea to me. Strong gun but other weaknesses that might encourage you to take a different vehicle.
Incidentally, the BRIII soviet tank lineup is a very nice mix. I tend to field the T34 (1941) but there are numerous other good choices.
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Yes, i don’t think you should take such cannon and put it in the tier below.
dicker max has massive weakness of being open top along with flak bus and also to note that cannons actual effectiveness from what i’ve heard is around the same as panther cannon which to be fair is also BRIV but i dont have the time to check the stat page or want to use the time perhaps.
They are also premium.
Surely you need KV1 and the younger su85m.
Which ironically i suppose that’s a good mix as you have heavy armor lesser damage and then the TD with bigger gun but less armor
Could you actually provide some explanation for your “I don’t like it being there” other than just “because it’s a powerful cannon”? Feels weak and It’s not really convincing at all. I’ve already explained that why such cannons would be justified to have it on lower BR, maybe it would be better for all of us that you actually give us a good explanation other than just “The gun is powerful”?
Being an open top is a disadvantage but it’s not as massive as you might think. The most severe one among them is probably the near miss bomb would more likely kill the crew members than the fully enclosed tanks and that’s about it. If you are worried that the infantry would kill you thru the openings on top it is uncommon to happen unless you drove it close to the capture point and also, if infantry managed to get close that much, it would be a death sentence by TNT pack to the most of tanks in the game. Usually just an AT launcher attacks from distance is what kills you anyway.
Also the flak bus 88mm has an unironically better gun than the one that Tiger 1 has it on BR 4. Why? because the reload speed is extremely fast unlike Tiger 1. Flak bus takes like only 5 seconds to reload. Also, it’s deceptively resilient to the enemy tanks APHE shots because the armor is thin enough to not trigger their fuze. It could catch enemy tankers off guard well.
Yes they are premium. What about it? It doesn’t make them gone from the existence. Or do you want to exclude them even tho we are having conversation about this in the sake of game balance?
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Sure, when i get home and can provide stuff other than one liners but l it might not be worth it however i’ll respect you want to have a logical argument.
Being an opentopped is only a disadvantage against infantry who are on you that dont have explosive packs or tnt. Overpressure doesnt work like in war thunder where against opentoppeds you only need 170 g of tnt equivalent. instead its based off the overpressure pen just like closed tops.
So yeah. open topped is rlly not a disadvantage on things like the m10 or m8. It only is when ur able to shoot them without being on top of them, like flak 88, flakbus, gaz truck, and in some situations the sig
That’s just ignorant, any plane can kill you even noobs who don’t know how to bomb which granted the noob might not know to strafe the 105 k18 in killfeed but they usually fire their cannons and mgs at anything anyway.