The Single Most Important Need For Enlisted

We still need lobby chat devs. It has been suggested the right way many times.

Get it done …

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It’s on roadmap.

Is that really the most important need for enlisted?

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The truly single most important need for Enlisted: Give the players a “Play Versus the Environment” coop mode where they can earn everything that they currently can earn only in “Player Versus Plaver” mode. This way the players that do not cheat for once and for all will never have to deal with the ever increasing endless horde of wallhacking and aimbotting cheaters that have increasingly flooded and ruined the fun in all FPS games the past few decades.

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Most of the time it is just players who are really good. Every once in a while I have seen a few.

Keep in mind that some platforms have autoaim (PS5?) but as long as you have been around, I am sure you know

Unless you don’t have any friends, but that is a “you” problem not an “us” problem :slight_smile:

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That guy last night with 20 plane kills and zero were bomber kills. It was really odd his hit box was blinking even though I was right on him. Maybe I am getting old but something seems different about the planes. I am not the best pilot but I am REALLY far from the worst. The cheaters stand out with the insane imbalance versus everyone not just their team. The only issue is I do not think you can cheat flying a plane.

It would be great if you would have a personal “cheater list” in Enlisted to put players on that you suspect of cheating, so that you as a player will not be put in a lobby with a player on your personal “cheater list”. That way a player will at least be able to avoid playing against such players, but instead Enlisted like so many other games, only allows players to ban “chat” by other players. If really do not care about “chat” by other players, I do care about not playing against cheaters however.

To make matters worse Enlisted even allows cheaters to constantly use game generated fake gamer IDs, allowing them to even keep their real gamer ID hidden. Even their “rank” is no longer shown in game.

Professional research indicates that most of the time cheating is involved in one way or another. We in our household play Enlisted on the PC and on the Xbox, the amount of cheaters on the Xbox is in our opinion considerably less on the Xbox than on the PC. When a cheater plays in a match on the Xbox he stands out much more than on the PC in our experience.

Selling and using online gaming cheats has sadly become lucrative, and there is almost zero chance that anything bad will happen to anyone involved in online cheating.

It does not take a genius to see how destructive cheating has become for online gaming, especially FPS gaming. Go to YouTube and search for:

Enlisted Hack Aimbot ESP Undetected

That is what the non-cheater is up against in Enlisted and in every other online FPS game.

Professional research done for gaming companies indicates that currently about 30% to 70% of players in online gaming matches are using cheat software etc.

I have played many online games the past few decades and over time witnessed the increasing rise of the number of players in all types of games using cheats. In FPS games it has now reached the point that the developers simply cannot effectively combat it anymore, the only viable solution is PVE games (Player Versus Enviroment, in other words Human Players versus the AI).

I have seen cheating and caught cheaters in almost everything in real life, from business, sports, chess, checkers, stratego, board games, card games etc. to online gaming. Most people have. When you cheat in real life in chess, checkers, stratego, board games, card games etc. and get caught, then the other players know who the cheater is, and they will be banned by the other players. Either from their circle of friends, or from competitive play.

When someone cheats in online gaming however, you can mostly remain “safely” anonymous, this allows the cheater to keep on cheating. This makes online cheating strangely rewarding for the cheater. In online gaming the players that do not cheat have no way to avoid playing against the obvious cheaters.

In Enlisted players are even punished when they leave a match that is clearly being dominated by one or more cheaters. A few days ago I was in a match against two obvious cheaters that were clearly using wallhack and aimbot cheat software. I, together with one other human player, were the only two human players that stayed in the match, the other 8 human players on our side left the match after getting repeatedly massacred by these obvious two cheaters. I only stayed in the match because it allowed me to quickly get the 30 required uses of my rally point.

In real life a cheater when caught will be banned by the other players, but that is simply not possible in online gaming.

Cheating software is a multiplier. It makes a good player considerably more effective, a mediocre player slightly more effective.

There are several types of cheaters:

1.) The compulsive cheater. They are like any other people with a mental disorder that supposedly “cannot help themselves”, such as a pyromaniac, kleptomaniac etc.
2.) The competitive player that cannot stand losing. They use whatever means available in order to “win”, whether according to the rules or not, because they supposedly “cannot stand losing”.
3.) The “follower”, these convince themselves to join the cheaters with justifications as “if you cannot beat them, then join then” or “everyone cheats, and thus so will I” etc. They will become cheaters when they see/conclude that more and more people are cheating without getting banned/caught.

The third group is the one to look out for, that is the one that grows in number when game developers cannot effectively stop group 1 and 2.

And that is the situation where we are currently in. The game developers nowadays simply cannot cope with the amount of cheating in online gaming in general, and in FPS games in particular.

PVE is the only viable solution for players that want to enjoy online gaming, but who themselves do not want to cheat and who do not want to be forced to play against cheaters.

As of late, I have seen several planes that the hit box was not even showing up and right behind them. Seems like a glitch. Not sure what the deal was with that russian plane last night. He shot with main gun (not a bomb) one time and blew my tank up instantly.

But I am not saying they are not out there. They claim to be hidden.

Github should take this crap down

While there is no public, real-time tracker for the exact number of active cheaters in Enlisted, data from official ban waves and community analysis indicates that the percentage of players actively using third-party cheats like aimbots or ESP is exceptionally low compared to other major competitive shooters (like Tarkov, Apex, or Warzone).

The Numbers From Ban Waves

Darkflow Software regularly publishes its ban lists. Community data tracking unique player counts against these official ban waves reveals:

  • The Scale: Out of an estimated ~1.6 million unique players over a given multi-month period (with roughly 120,000 daily unique users), standard ban lists usually catch anywhere from 80 to 300 players per wave.
  • The Percentage: Statistically, this puts verified, caught cheaters at a tiny fraction of a percent (well below 0.1% of the active player base).

Why Cheating Feels More Common Than It Is

If you are running into suspicious deaths, it is highly likely due to a few core mechanics unique to Enlisted rather than a player running an aimbot:

  • The AI Squad Bots: The single biggest culprit for “hack-like” behavior is the game’s built-in AI. Bots often track players through dense foliage, smoke, or tall grass where a human couldn’t see, resulting in instant, tracking headshots the moment you step into their line of sight.
  • Bullet Penetration: Enlisted allows players to shoot through thin wooden walls, fences, and wooden boxes. Veteran players will routinely spray known choke points or standard hiding spots behind cover, which easily looks like a wallhack on the receiving end.
  • Maxed-Out Weapon Dispersion: A veteran player using a fully upgraded, top-tier weapon possesses drastically reduced recoil and bullet dispersion. To a newer player, it can look like an illegal macro or no-recoil script, when it’s actually just standard high-tier gunplay.
  • Lack of Incentive: Because Enlisted rewards overall match participation and squad management rather than a single, high-stakes “one life left” economy (like extraction shooters), the actual incentive for bad actors to buy and run premium, undetected cheats is heavily reduced.

Pro Tip: If a specific player feels incredibly suspect, don’t rely on the in-game killcam. Go to the official Enlisted Replay Portal on their website, find your match, and watch it from that specific player’s point of view. A true aimbot or ESP overlay leaves very obvious tracking lines and unnatural snapping indicators in the server replay.

Out of the 100’s matches we have played together I think we have only seen 2 people who were cheating and of those 2 1 of them seemed legit.

I disagree.

Like I said there are several studies carried out for game development companies into the number and percentage of cheaters in online gaming in general and FPS games in particular.

I find these studies more trustworthy than any public statement made by the representatives of a game company, for obvious reasons.

I advise you to play Enlisted both on the PC and the Xbox for a while. Even with aim assist on the Xbox the obvious cheater can easily be spotted on both the PC and Xbox. The PC clearly has more cheaters and they can be found in almost every match. Like stated earlier, the Xbox has far less obvious cheaters than the PC in Enlisted.

As for the AI in Enlisted, I generally use custom matches versus the AI to quickly finish the Battle Pass, so I know very well how the AI behaves in Enlisted compared to how a cheater behaves.

The AI in Enlisted in AI only custom matches is decent, but it is simply not comparable to the ridiculous effectiveness of an aimbot and wallhack used by a human cheater.

You are free to believe what you want. We will have to agree to disagree on this issue it seems.

I don’t see how difficult it is to install one of the many community apps like discord or skype if you want to play in a squad.

Enlisted unironically got the lowest number of cheaters out of all online FPS i’ve ever played tho. And i have had played a LOT of FPS games for decades now. I did meet cheaters in Enlisted but it was like, 3 total thruout the years of playing and they were all in low BR and most importantly, all were on the Outlisted sheets. Compared to cheater infested games like EFT, Enlisted is heaven and i’m happy about it.

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Nowadays Enlisted is the only FPS game that I still play. I have long since stopped playing any other FPS games.

Concerning the number of cheaters in Enlisted: You are free to believe what you want. We will have to agree to disagree on this issue it seems.

Its 99.999999% of the time just a better player there is no cheater flood lol stop coping XD

Here a tldr for any1 not wanting to read that wall of text
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Stop coping bruh

Bro i wish that was true maybe people could shoot back then

pc lobbys are just as bad idk how bad you need to be to think everybody cheats

You have been complaining about cheaters since 2024 and provided zero evidence
At this point it’s a skill issue

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