"The German equipment is actually quite good; it's just that the players can't hold the line."

In the latest update, I came across some truly disheartening news. I’ve been tied up with the final stretch of the War Thunder Battle Pass, which is why I’m only sharing my thoughts now.

The sIG 33 (Sf.) has been moved to BR 3. Frankly, I’m completely baffled by this decision. This vehicle has no machine gun, its reload speed isn’t particularly fast, and it’s an open-top casemate without a turret. While it has an extremely high skill ceiling, its floor is just as low. Over in War Thunder, for example, the sIG 33 (Sf.) can indeed take out main battle tanks, yet the community rightly keeps it at a 1.0 BR.

For Germany, BR 3 maps like Stalingrad are often too cramped and chaotic, which severely limits this vehicle’s effectiveness.

When I asked how this could happen, some players pointed me toward the likely truth: most players don’t use tanks to fight back, don’t call in aircraft to counter it, and don’t even deploy anti-tank guns as infantry. As a result, this vehicle is left free to attack infantry with impunity, leaving a strong—and deeply negative—impression on many players and building up widespread resentment. Once the outcry on the forums reached a critical mass, it was pushed up to BR 3.

This reminds me of the Bf 110 armed with four heavy rockets. That aircraft was once the backbone of the German Rank III lineup. Later, I heard that because some skilled players mastered it to devastating effect, public opinion turned against it—and sure enough, its battle rating was raised as well.

Ah, I can’t help but sigh. This shouldn’t be how things work. It’s always been my impression that the German faction has the largest player base in this game—maybe even 90% of players. How is it, then, that those who love playing Germany can’t prevent their own effective vehicles from being penalized like this? I truly hope to see the day when these machines return to their rightful place.

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bf110 G was not even OP, its comparable to US P-38 G/J which are BR2 and BR3 respectively, the only reason players kept spamming bf110 G was because all other Axis aircraft perform below US ones.

Anyway bf110 G was uptiered on the pretense of Wfr.gr21 being too OP, but they lowered Fw190 A8 with 2 Wfr.gr21 rockets to the same BR bf110 G was on with the same update which contradicts the whole point.

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The difference between 2 and 4 such rockets is quite significant, and your comparison ignores that.

Also that reason is guesswork from players - nothing specific was ever stated.

The 190 suffers from appalling flight modelling - as do all the 190’s, and that will never change unless War Thunder fixes it.

2 rockets on a fighter aircraft vs 4 rockets on an attacker aircraft. The comparison is fair.

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The Fw 190 A-5 with only 2 rockets is significantly weaker than the 4-rocket loadout. With firepower roughly equivalent to two 100kg bombs, it could be comfortably moved down to BR 2

That comparison is pretty much irrelevant - aircraft class doesn’t really matter in game - only what it can carry does.

Dunno that I’d go that far - it has significantly better armament that the existing BR II 190 (I forget which mark) and rockets are vastly superior to bombs in this game - which is 1 thing they got right

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germany have decent equipment dont get me wrong the problem is that its playerbase has managed to make it count like no one could give us shitty payload with x4 50kg bombs and we would stil wiping all your infantery while you miss with x2 250 kg bombs

give us a sf with shit dispersion and cursed rof and we would still dominating your team with no effort

and devs saw that and started to handicap germany over and over to force these players to move to other faction which would also get stronger equipment to attract those players and well the time has passed and here we are on the same spot german remanents figthing as handicaped as possible against players that need literal lasers to even hit their shoots and dont get me started with who builds more rallies

the only way we could fix this is to force all those cod babies to learn to play by balancing equipment or turning every weapon into the game a living hell to use and encouraging using the engginiers and fucking remove the snipers from the newbies lineups

sadly nothing is forever and lately i´ve been seeing full german teams filled with bots on br2 and br3…

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It matters a lot actually if you know how to abuse the spawn mechanic. You have faster spawn and you can combine 3 planes and having a second wing mate on a fighter that is put in category of ground attacker matters a lot just play BR II Japan and you will realize how OP the lighting is exactly do to the fact that is fighter in a ground attacker category if it was a fighter plane it wont be that valuable.

C.202EC is supposed to be ground attacker but its put in a fighter squad if this plane was a ground attacker instead of a fighter will also see a lot more play.

No to mention other payloads at BR 2-3 that are equally devastating when used by the same hands

  • Xa-38, IL 2, IL 2M, (anything carrying 6 100Kg bombs can carpet bomb like a bosss)

Rockets being easier to use than bombs seems to have made it a target for the nerf wagon (just apparently not others)

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I almost always use bombs since that is what I started using when I learned to fly and my timing is better using them.

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Well if you are good with bombs, you can cover more potential area than the rockets anyhow (aircraft dependent)

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i just want a gun thats fun and not restrictive for germany and japan in BR3

Allies X-38 is probably my favorite, since with Allies I play mostly BR3, and with the Germans and Soviets I play mostly BR2 using the Stuka and the Su-2. I do play some German BR5 to which I use the Ju-188 bomber, and on occasion the Me-262. I like the Bomber because it has a crew of five, so when I get shot down I can bail and still have four of five I can use as assaulters once they land. Same with the BR5 Soviets, I will use the Bomber so I have additional crew.

This is one reason I want the Dev’s to add the B-25 Mitchell for the Allies at BR5. It is essentially in the same size and weight category as the Ju and Tu bombers, and could come with the same bomb payload and crew amount.

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I am quite fond of the B-25. Me and a couple of mates used to take it up in formation in Warthunder Air RB just for the hell of it. (absolute fodder for fighters).

Rarely made it to target but its pretty fun blapping a heap of fighters with the 50s before you go down…

I do like it, not the beast that the Tu-2 is but could still be fun. (in many ways the XA-38 is already better than B-25)

The A-26 invader is a bit more capable for BR 5 (pretty fast)

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This analogy makes no sense. Of course it would be 1.0 in WT because it’s a glass Cannon and the gun being insanely strong means little

Enlisted however has infantry which mean the gun being strong suddenly starts mattering much more

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Depends how you look at it.

In warthunder Its used to derp a player back to respawn (almost guaranteed 1 shot on anything) which is costly in warthunder as you need points to buy back in (Especially if you nuke their favourite first spawn Heavy Tank). You can easily put players out of a match, or starve them of enough points to bring in anything strong .

Dying in Warthunder has weight

In Enlisted its still a glass cannon, and you might get Alot of kills, But not necessarily whole player squads at a time (usually the AI of a couple of players running about…you need to get a full squad to remove tickets). And they have no limit to what they bring back, which if they were paying attention…should be a hard counter. (of which it is vulnerable to everything).

Enlisted pretty much incentivises dying

I love Open top Tanks and APCs…XP pinatas

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And you will see it in much higher BR games because it is really good at doing so - especially lobbing low velocity shells over hill crests onto people it cant see directly!
It is, I think, the favoured vehicle for getting “god mode” kills in WT GRB (ie killing something much higher BR than you)

Only in the sense that there must also be a shed load of players doing really badly in it to keep it so low - BR is based on game performance according to Gaijin, not anything “the community” does other than play!

Unless of course you have this

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Nah - the sIG is much better for God Mode 'cos it shoots into defilade better and gets lower BR targets - the SAV is 3.7 which means you have to kill something 8.7 or higher - the sIG only has to kill 6.0

The SAV is quite good at killing the many light tanks at higher BR’s of course - but the sIG can kill everything! :slight_smile:

The other thing that comes close is the Ho-Ro - also 150mm at 1.3

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That is true, but my god you can just rat flank at high BR in the sav and just pop 4-5 guys so quick .auto loader boss

Guilty pleasure

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