So if the kv1 cost gold could it be br 2?
All things that a turret and MG trump in advantages. You’re forgetting that the KV1 can take a ridiculous amount of explosives before it is destroyed too.
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The stug 3 g is frontally immune to br 2 at launchers
No, because the KV1 is better. Now you’re just embarrassing yourself so I’m gonna end the conversation. The math is there so do with it what you wish.
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Ur the one tryna get something with 80mm of frontal armor seeing br 1. lol. Don’t bring clown takes if u don’t wanna get clowned on
Trust me kiddo, you’re not clowning anyone. If anything you’re contradicting yourself and proving that you’re incapable of understanding other contributing factors to what makes a certain vehicle good/bad.
Good day.
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I thought u were ending the conversation 
Let’s not go down this route. If you want to argue, take it to the PM system.
Keep the thread on-topic.
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You can’t just assume it deserves to be at BR3 because it got APCBC.
At the end of the day, it still can’t penetrate Panthers or Tigers, right?
It has roughly the same penetration as the 75mm gun—so why wouldn’t I just use a Sherman?
American tanks even have explosive rounds and HE. This one’s only a 57mm!
What good is APCBC on that?
I think it would be better to down-tier the early cast-hull 76mm Sherman to BR3.
That way, the US at BR3 would at least have a fighting chance when up-tiered against German tanks,
instead of always relying on the 105mm Sherman to try and overpressure them.
Because I’ve noticed that the Fake Panther doesn’t seem to get overpressured by the 105mm anyway.
That’s where tanks destroyers fill that gap my friend. M18 just got downtiered and M10 exists too.
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Yeah, I’m also really glad the M18 got its BR lowered.
The M10 has always been irrelevant anyway—I’ve barely seen it used at all.
When I suggested this change, some people argued back that if they down-tiered it, the M10 would become even more forgotten.
Please, it’s not like anyone cares about those cast-hull Shermans these days.
They’re just stuck in their own little bubble, what are they even thinking?
This whole update really struck me: the forum and the devs feel like completely different people from one day to the next.
One day they’d argue against lowering something, the next they’re happy it got lowered.
Once a friend in my group made a post suggesting they lower the BR of the MP 41/2 double-mag submachine gun.
Back then, the forum and mods just mocked him, saying Germany’s BR2 premium squads didn’t need another weapon.
Fair enough in theory—but right now, I have so many that I can’t even fit them all in my squads.
From the Erma to the MP 18, plus the suppressed MP 40, I could make a full six premium squads.
But here’s the thing: these are premium squads, they’re supposed to be sold for money.
If you don’t balance them, how are you gonna sell them in the future?
It’s supposed to be a product, but they left it completely unappealing.
It makes you wonder if they even want to sell anything at all.
This gun only got changed in 2026.
I seriously doubt the decision-makers over at DF are just hopelessly bloated at this point.
Probably just whoever wins an argument that day gets to call the shots.
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One tnt on top of turret and it blows quite easily
Anyway, the BR jump between 3 and 4 is still huge.
As Germany, you’re guaranteed to face Tigers and Panthers at 5.7 and 6.0.
So once you get up there, what BR3 tank are you supposed to use to defend yourself?
You end up with no counter at all when their tanks show up—unless you rush them with satchel charges for a 1-for-1 trade.
The Soviet T-34-57 works because it has that 145mm penetration round, almost as good as the 85mm gun.
As for this one… I say put it and the Panzer III N down to BR2.
That way, Germany and the US would actually have a real threat, and BR2 would be way more interesting.
Think about it: the Marder took two years to go from BR3 to BR2.
The StuG III F took three years to get to BR2.
Their administrative efficiency is just terrible.
The last time I saw bureaucracy this slow was in Yes, Minister, with how they portrayed the British civil service.
Oh, and by the way, if they really do add it at BR3, it should be the Cromwell V—at least it can use 75mmAmerican ammunition.
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Allied tanks were only meant to provide fire support for advancing infantry; anti-tank warfare was the responsibility of tank destroyers. You cannot portray the Cromwell tank as an all-powerful, omnipotent vessel, because it was not a multi-purpose war machine like German tanks. Please do not detach yourself from the history of World War II and engage in fictionalized WWII combat systems.
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It has 122mm of penetration, which is possible to penetrate panther or tiger. The 75mm Sherman only has 104mm of penetration.
If people were more smart, they’d run tank destroyers or at least 1 tank and a backup TD. M10 is more than capable but people don’t use it because of its drawbacks. Now the M18 gives people the option of mobility over the armour of the M10. There’s always going to be some filler vehicles like the early Shermans but honestly, there aren’t any major advantages between them anyway. I like the British Sherman more than the M4A2 but i rarely notice the difference when using them.
I honestly don’t mind the variety of weapons in the same BR. Now BR 2 Germans it comes down to personal preference rather than a meta. People are going to favour one SMG over small things like iron sights and recoil patterns rather than rate of fire or magazine size.
That requires you to vault on top of the tank and expose yourself. Good luck doing that while it’s moving too. StuG I can put it on the side and it’ll destroy it.
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I know, I know. The 122mm can penetrate the Tiger’s 104mm frontal armor at close range.
But there’s a small problem: it’s just a solid slug.
A high-explosive shell, once it penetrates, will detonate instantly, setting off the ammo rack or dealing effective AOE damage to kill the crew.
But a solid slug, by its nature, means you either have to pick off the crew one by one physically,
or hope you hit the ammo rack to detonate it.
Also, I just opened up War Thunder and tested it.
Beyond 500 meters, it’s extremely difficult to penetrate the Panther’s turret face.
It’s, how should I put it, a pretty huge disadvantage.
At long range, the penetration of the 122mm isn’t that much better than the 104mm anyway.
And in Enlisted, with infantry everywhere, you don’t get to just tank duel point-blank either.
Kid, did you eat all the Allied portable anti-tank weapons? This isn’t War Thunder; tanks don’t matter, because portable anti-tank firepower plus airstrikes can take out this Cromwell anytime. Forget about the type of shells these tanks use, they’re useless. As long as they can kill infantry, light tanks, and penetrate the sides of medium tanks, that’s enough.