I would prefer more an ai contolled version ( just like the one in plane)
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Also this ( ai contolled mgs) should reduce the number of gray zone campers .
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weird as I rarely have that issue, infact cant recall single time I would have had to greyzone camp.
I wonder do we have the same game then as I do just fine in these small maps with the tank.
Just because YOU do fine doesnât mean the majority of players do and you âdonât have toâ grey zone camp in the same way you donât have to maximize effectiveness. It really bruises your performance if you donât.
Not to mention tanks for the most part would avoid going INTO cities or tight spaces and if they absolutely have to they would have an average of 3 machine guns to cover multiple directions IE the hull coax and cupola machine guns.
As is tanks feel more like clumsy boxes that cant really do anything and are free xp for infantry instead of a mobile bunker and gun that they should be.
Could just as well argue that majority doesnt have problems.
And buffing things due to people being incapable to figure out that driving tank in middle of enemy infantry results you being dead is quite moot point for buffing tanks.
What next ? Implement aimbots for people that constantly fails to get more than 10 kills a game ?
Anyone with minor common sense can rather easily get over 100 kills with tank, thats alone 10% of attackers ticket pool.
So no, theres 0 reason to buff them any further.
If tanks goes to enemy city without infantry support, result often is same as driving the tank in middle of enemy infantry.
And you can already move with infantry in the game.
Well they pretty much were just big coffins when they were alone.
Regardless the latest reality based documentary movie Fury teaches otherwise.
Same, it would make the tank feel more like there is a proper crew inside looking in multiple direction, instead of just tanks feeling like they are giant metallic sentient beings that only look in one narrow direction.
I donât get the whole âmaps are too small for thatâ, because they are just fine to have multiple AI machine gunner running around.
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People donât drive tanks in infantry heavy environments because they want to they do it because the small maps and grey zone limitations funnel them into it this is a common complaint. This is what you are not understanding the game due to oversites in balance and developments forces the players to gray zone camp to be affective and offers no incentive or proper defenses for tanks to get closer
This is the equivalent of you saying âbombers shouldnât have gunners because if they are flying where fighters are they should be killedâ
If they had the full 360 machine gun cover real tanks did they they could as long as they kept moving. As stated it was not ideal but could be done because tanks had proper anti infantry defenses.
Its because they are in fact if you actually measure the map they are downright tiny due to the greyzone making most of the map unplayable at a given time. It feels bigger than it is due to the fact that the area beyond the boarder of the map are rendered if it was just a wall that was visible you would be shocked how tiny the playable map portion was.
There was a poll about the subject where the majority of the community voted something like in favor of bigger more open maps something along the lines of Heroes & Generals but the developers decided it âdidnât fit the developers vision for the gameâ.
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Then dont play tanks on those maps. So far havent seen a single map where tanks could not be played due to âsmall sizeâ
Sure theres maps where tanks are less effective / ideal but useless ? Nope.
Il grant that I havent bothered with berlin much and even less with stalingrad so if these tiny maps you are speaking of are in those, then dont play them.
Its been in the game for quite sometime, its called infantry.
The exact same thing that did cover tanks back in ww2 and actually still does to this day.
Or you asking to remove towns / cover from maps because its impossible to be useful with plane in map that are entirely indoors.
Yes, its called infantry.
Or they could also make it shoot like a fighter gunner.
In the beginning, it was imprecise, getting more precise over time.
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Oh I know I know donât worry I agree with you, I think there was a misunderstanding somewhere.
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I mean itâs cool and all to talk condescendingly about infantry covering tank like it was a thing people do in this game but we all know how things go down in this situation and why :
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You would need to be in a call for this to ever happen, and the one covering you is going to be annoyed 5min in and give up because he either wonât be able to catch up with you, got bored to not see an enemy at all or because you moving would have injured half of his squad.
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Infantry in this game is mainly supposed to play the objective while vehicle support them, removing one squad from that objective just to put it on guard duty around a tank is neither efficient nor interesting. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it.
You know what other âthing that did cover tanks back in ww2 and actually still does to this dayâ ? The tank own weapons ! Used by its crew !
I donât know whatâs the big deal to add a bow machine gun to tanks that actually had one, it will make tanks slightly more dangerous for infantry at close range and only from the front (for some tanks from the back of the turret too but most of the time in that case, it was supposed to be used by the tank commander, but most people use the tank commander seat to play due to the better visibility until the have to fire at a tank, so it wouldnât be active most of the time) and make tanks feel a bit more like they have an actual crew in it and not just feel like they are gigantic sentient metallic beings with tunnel vision.
The same thing as been done for planes, no-one is complaining that they are here as far as I know.
And you know what covered bomber back in ww2 and actually still does to this day ? Fighter planes. And itâs definitely what they do in Enlisted and not just suicide bomb immediately.
Shy would it be different for tanks ?
And itâs not like anyone called for every AT weapons in the game to be removed too and that only the new TNT pack must remain and could only be placed on the glacis of the tank.
Itâs just a way to make things a bit more realistic while fitting Enlisted gameplay.
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Happens quite often when you play with friends also grants the freedom of moving rather close to âfrontlinesâ
Pretty much, and tanks task is to provide support rather than zerk in to cap point like terminator.
Im quite sure tanks in this game has weapons too, unless something has changed drastically in past 2 hours.
Because they are already rather deadly against infantry.
plane lmg has rather insignificant effect against infantry.
search tank buff / nerf. Its not really first time when someone asks un-necessary buffs to tanks.
Well id say its quite realistic, things ended rather badly for tanks that decided to go for joyride in middle of enemy infantry.
Yeah Iâm sure it happens all the time and people love getting there IA run over.
But we agree that it would be restricted to playing with multiple people, which most people donât do giving the clear lack of coordination in most games.
A bow MG would have the advantage to be compatible with playing solo and and with friends wile not allowing to charge enemy infantry due to them covering a narrow field of fire.
Well yeah, I never said anything against that (and bow machineguns were among them btw).
But if I follow your logic, with :
You actually meant that infantry wasnât in the game ?
Yes, and infantry are rather deadly against tanks. As I said, bow machinegun wouldnât be a game breaking addition to the game because they would cover only a small area and if IA controlled they would (and should) probably mostly be a deterrent than an actual efficient thing (unless at close range) as the IA tend to be tweaked to not be that accurate in this game.
Not to mention that you would need to have unlocked all the seats in the tank and it wouldnât the moment you would get a crew member killed because the only other unusable seat in the tank is the loaderâs one and it has priority over the radio operator/assistant driver.
Thatâs why I didnât talk about a buff but more of a this âjust a way to make things a bit more realistic while fitting Enlisted gameplay.â
Yes theoretically it would slightly increase tanks fire power thus making it a âbuffâ, but it wouldnât break the game by making them overpowered and immune to infantry, it would just make tanks behave more like they should.
Yeah because I totally meant that and not the obvious meaning which was other planes. Well done.
I meant that itâs not like anyone asked for this in addition of bow MG because then it would make them game breaking. But I get that it could me misinterpreted and I should have phrased it that way :
âAnd itâs not like anyone called for every AT weapons in the game to be removed too and that only the new TNT pack must remain and could only be placed on the glacis of the tank in addition of adding bow MGs.â
Yes I know, you will note that I never said otherwise.
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not all the time but if I had to guess it would be about 99% of time.
That is very unfortunate, so how about solo inf players ? If theyr team is totally retarded which happens quite often, should the top player get IDDQD ? Just to make game more enjoyable.
Well if you in current terms cant pay attention to your surroundings I doubt the bow MG would make any differency. Regardless, just for that exact reason im against anykind of buff to tanks that already are exactly as they should.
No idea what your after now, infantry did cover tanks. Which can be achieved in the game as well.
So no need for crutches.
Not necessarily. While every tank is indeed deadly against infantry.
Aaand no.
Like AI currently is ? Popping 360 headshots across the map ? Yeah no.
And the realism is currently presented in game. Also realism < gameplay.
Well, in that case I think we can implement bow mg. But it only targets either planes or other tanks.
Better now ?
Well if it has 0 impact to game as you kind of present it, I dont see any reason to add it either.