I remember in the first ever cbt test of Moscow there was a huge variety of tanks including sturmpanzer ii for the Germans and kv2 for the ussr so i wish that you please devs bring back these 2 tanks and it’s just transferring some assets from war thunder to this game and thank you in advance.
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some things might be added though they aren’t going to kv-1 because the germans don’t have anything to counter it i believe, so this is just the case of removing things for balancing reasons
Yes they do. The FlaK-36 can easily counter the KV-1 if you hide it correctly.
probably would be very hard from a game pov to implement that, seeing as any “hidden spot” would be shown and be widely known pretty fast
Nyet, I don’t want a KV-1 period, I shall quote Tcat for my reasoning
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Why do people want so much variety of tanks?
This game isn’t designed to be a tank shooter.
I’d argue that we already have too many tanks, and that they should be replaced with lighter, infantry fighting vehicles.
Like the scout cars, half tracks and such.
Certainly don’t want as many tanks as I have seen in the CAT footage
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Too many tanks? There is four, and usually 2-3 of them are almost the same . You have about 15 infantry divisions and 4 tank models is too many? Bruh
Lol
We got T-60, T-26, BT-7, BA-11, Pz2C, Pz3B, Pz3E, Pz38t, Sdkfz234/2 Puma, Pz3N, Pz4J, Pz4H, M3 Stuart, M8 Scott,M4A2 Sherman, M4A3E2 Jumbo, Pz5G Panther and T-34-85, for a total of 18 tanks.
For every campaign the infantry stuff is mostly the same, but the tanks are unique.
bruh yeah I mean for a single campaign, last time I checked there weren’t shermans and T 60 running together on the battlefield. The infantry squads are as same as the tanks. One tank has wheels one has tracks, one squad has a rocket launcher other has a anti tank rifle.What a take lol
My comment is regarding this is that each time, the community requests tanks, they are always asking for heavier or more armoured vehicles, like the KV2 in the OP, or frequently the T-34-76 or Tiger 1 in Normandy.
The main issue with this is that these vehicles are almost immune to infantry bourne weapons, think of moscow at the moment, we have the pea-shooters of the PzB or PTRD. What good would it to add even heavier armoured vehicles like the KV or T-34s.
Likewise, what is the need in the game for a support weapon like the Sturmpanzer 2?
What the game needs is lighter vehicles, ones that aren’t specifically designed to fight other tanks.
In reality, does this game REALLY need the tanks? Maybe the Pz2 or T-60 as top tier, but there are so many other things they could have chosen instead, like the SdKFz 222, FAI (or D-8).
Infantry divisions is fine, because at the end of the day, all they are, effectively is just unlocks. But say they added in the KV1 to Moscow, how would the average german infantry counter it? like how?
the PzB would be useless, the built AT gun would take too long. so then you get into a whirlwind of “USSR gets this, so Germany needs this, but then if germany gets this the USSR should get that too”.
Long story short, why do we want more tanks, because we surely dont actually NEED them, that’s what war thunder is for.
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I object, we need more tanks and and support guns and tank destroyers, where is even the stug tank in the Normandy ? Many promises have been broken that the dark flow and gaijen must fulfill it in order not to jeopardize their reputation of just by promising and not doing what they promised
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But the moment you get lighter vehicles that are good against infantry, you need stuff that is good against these lighter vehicles. Which is? Light tanks! But then you need something to deal with the light tanks. Which is? Medium tanks. And so on. You are unironically simulating the evolution of armored vehicles. People want heavier tanks because they want to feel powerful when fighting other tanks because that is the thing that most tankers enjoy the most. The downside of heavier tanks is the fact that they are not very mobile and have themselves trouble with infantry. I do think that Tiger has no place in Moscow as it wasn’t introduced yet but anything else is fine. Enemy tanks are wrecking your infantry? Get a jagdpanzer to eliminate the tanks at the cost of good infantry support. Enemy is bad with tanks/ doesnt use them? Use a stug or brumbar to force them to use a tank. You also have anti tank mines, explosive packs, AT stationary weapons, close air support. Let’s say we add a KV 1 but make it take two tank slots instead of one. Infantry can easily destroy it’s tracks and then just wait for your tanks to flank/ build AT/ force the crew out with molotovs/ call air support/ throw a mine under it. Tanks were a huge part of combat in WW2 and there is a reason that bigger tanks were introduced as the war went on. Not including them is just dumb when there is so many ways to balance it and make it fun for everyone.
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I think a lot os players think that tank mix should be like WT where anyhting goesa,
Now admittedly they have screwed up some selections, but most Soviet tanks by end of 1941 were still T-26 and BT-7 - T-28’s not so much and none offocially at Moscow (see Equipment of the Soviet Troops in the Moscow Battle) - they found that one in a museum I think!
But for T34’s (say) in these close maps you give the German infantry some of hte stuff andf organisation in this video -
But you don’t.
You don’t NEED tanks to deal with the lighter vehicles, like the SdKFz 251/ 222 etc. The very fact I am suggesting them is because they can be support WITHOUT being out of the range of the AT infantry.
The very idea, is that, in this case, you CAN have more armour choice, without making the infantry bourne weapons useless.
Or… an anti tank rifle/ AT gun/ Light tank.
You can’t seem to grasp the idea that my whole disagreement with more tanks is based on the fact it will just end up in this.
Then you are playing the wrong game for pure tank on tank combat
AGAIN, you are completely missing my point.
This shouldn’t be a game where you just keep relying on heavier and heavier guns and armour. This game is based on an FPS shooter with combined arms, i’m not saying remove them completely. But can you imagine it if you can use a howitzer tank and just spam the map from the spawn point, the mortars are bad enough, we dont need vehicle mounted ones.
The Pz4.E for example can just spam rounds, sitting back spamming and being invincible to most of the soviet tanks, that can easily rake in 80 - 100 kills in one life, and because an insta win if they don’t deal with it.
Which, again, brings me back to the original point, WHY DO WE NEED THIS, because… WE DON’T[quote=“50966531, post:18, topic:10629”]
A pz 4 is somewhat sniping your team the whole game? Well either sacrifice a soldier with a tnt or get a tank of your own. Don’t blame a tank doing it’s job for your incompetence of dealing with it
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Clearly not even reading my posts now.
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I was of the mind that the highest tier of tanks never should have been added in the first place and I’m certainly against adding anything heavier.
Also another point against the 88mm flak- it’s a massive target.
I don’t get your point? Then either your point is really bad or you don’t get mine. Guess what game you are playing, I’ll let you guess 3 times. If you guessed WW2 game you get a point and if you guess WW2 game from Gaijin you get a bonus point as well. Yeah you don’t need light tanks to destroy light vehicles but guess what, not only do they HELP but they also EXISTED during WW exactly for that reason (did I mention we are playing a WW2 game?), and as I’ve mention, at this point you are just simulating actual tank evolution throughout the war. If anything go ask for a close quarters combat mode for infantry only for people who are unable to throw an explosive pack. The spamming from spawn needs to be addressed but that has nothing to do with a tank. Also the reason you might wanna play a heavy tank in enlisted is to get rid of a anti infantry tank that killed your whole infantry 3 times in a row, or you just like authentic things, or you want a heavy tank because you like to play infantry and seeing a big ass box of metal moving next to you feels sick af.
Also from what I’ve seen of the russian funbase, almost every russian tank is superior to their german counter part. A pz 4 is somewhat sniping your team the whole game? Well either sacrifice a soldier with a tnt or get a tank of your own. Don’t blame a tank doing it’s job for your incompetence of dealing with it
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Agreed
yeah I am, at least I’m trying but my IQ is dropping with every line so it’s getting hard. PZ 4 is not invincible, it doesn’t normaly get 100 kills in one life, it usually can’t camp and if it can it’s a problem of spawn camping not “tank meta”, even if its out of bounds you can run up to it and sacrifice a soldier, you can snipe it with another tank, you can mark it for a plane to take out. If a PZ4 E in your game can do what you are saying it can do then you have a team of absolute bots and you are probably a bot too
You sure it’s because you dont wanna use an engineering squad to easily counter any tank thrown at you?