Where is Soviet obj248 to counter Tiger2? Where is US T1E1 (90) to counter tiger1? Where is US T28 or tortoise to counter Ho-Ri? You are just making assumption. A equivalent is only needed if something is OP like jets or selective fire rifle. T44-100 won’t be OP.
At what range? Enlisted map isn’t that big to begin with.
So why US can have privilege but USSR can’t? Also using your logic Japan shouldn’t have Ho-Ri in the first place because USSR don’t have the equivalent of it.
These are not assumptions but reality. You are trying to ignore all the posts that people have had made thruout the years so far. If you keep choosing to ignore this and really believing in that “the equivalent is only needed if something is OP” then i’ve got nothing to have conversation with someone detached from reality. Also, i didn’t say anything about them being OP. I’ve been constantly saying that i don’t want to see any more BS BR 5 prototype tanks than as it is. And ofc you just had to come up with more BS prototype tanks as an example to “counter” Tiger 2.
River crossing? Bulge maps? Normandy maps? Like, have you ever played those maps in the invasion mode?
Yes you are absolutely correct. I loathe at the fact that they added both Ho-Ri which are as fake as fake they can get and i even wanted to remove them completely and replace them with something else.
What kind of reality is this? Did those tank I mentioned get added? You are the one saying dev accept those request most of the time.
They are literally tons of tank in game that doesn’t have a equivalent.
Even on those map the fight range will be 300~400m maximum which still can be pen by those gun. Also why are you using Panther 2 instead of tiger 2 if you just gonna sit far away in the grey zone.
But Japan did get Ho-Ri and other faction didn’t get equivalent for it, so that means if T44-100 been added, Panther 2 won’t necessary be added.
I’m talking about the reality that people wants the equivalents no matter how they are good or not. Don’t believe me? then just search the forum history when they added something that the other factions didn’t have.
Sure. But except the japanese, they have at least something to cope with. Not exactly the equivalents but something close enough at least.
This is false and you obviously haven’t tried to kill angled Tiger 1 on UFP(Which about 128mm~ effective thickness) at range as 85mm and 76mm on those maps.
Well, that’s your assumption and demands, not the majority. Also, suppose T-44-100 got added. You still cannot penetrate Ho-Ri as T-44-100 unless it’s really close range i assume. So what’s your point even by adding T-44-100 in your logic?
Again dev still didn’t add it, so it doesn’t really matter.
I literally open the editor and measure the distance before getting this result. How do you even know the distance in battle?
You can’t really angle your panther2 turret if you want to shoot your target in front.
Panther 2 will get added if T44-100 get added is also your assumption.
The point of adding T44-100 is to let Soviet have a br5 tank that doesn’t have very long reload. Also, It did have the ability to pen weak spot of Ho-Ri at long range.
Except they did. Not all the time but surely they did. And you can’t deny that some of those decisions made by the popular demands of the playerbase.
Shots made roughly around 280~290m and it’s not uncommon thing on maps like river crossing and especially bulge maps.
? Doesn’t really matter. What matters is effective thickness in the end. Shots are not bouncing off, they are simply unable to penetrate it because they lacks the penetration.
Maybe. But i think i have better odds on this than your assumption because as i have already explained multiple times by now, that’s not how it worked in here historically.
Such as? because i’m pretty sure that T-44-100 cannot penetrate Ho-Ri whatsoever unless it’s close range(Which is unlikely on Pacific maps and the fact that Ho-Ri could angle a bit too since the maximum gun horizontal traverse angle is not bad)or it gets it’s post-war D ammunition judging from my experience driving T-34-100 against Ho-Ri a few times. And no, the transmission area is not the weak point of Ho-Ri if that’s what you are talking about here.
Sometimes they did and sometimes they did not, so you are acting like they 100% will do it.
This is apparently not a Panther2. I am not sure why are you using this an example when they have different armor thickness.
I literally gave you several examples and you didn’t even give one. How do you even define the odds?
The armor around the 2 Observation Slits on each side only has around 200mm of armor. I just tried it in editor t34-100 could pen it from 300m.
Are you pretending to be stupid here? It’s rougly the same effective thickness. If you can’t get thru that, then you will not be able to get thru it with 85mm against the Panther 2 at range. Simple as that.
What several examples? Please bring them here so i can see them but i bet you can’t because you have provided zero evidence of your claim so far. Whereas what i have had been claiming here, is just a simple facts. It wouldn’t take more than 5 mins to go thru the topics that have had been made in this very forum when stuff that got added to only one faction.
It could. If it’s perfectly aligned and you could hit this exact spot at that range which is rather hard to do due to the small size but it is possible. But you conveniently left out the fact that even then it’s not 100% chance to penetrate it. Because i’ve tested it too even closer than 300m range no less.
So i wonder what would happens if Ho-Ri slightly angles? Oh gee, i really have no idea about the outcome bro. 
How do you prove they have the same effective thickness? You can’t just make claim without any number.
Hmm you have the time to write this sentence but don’t have the time to give example. Is it too hard to find an example?
Why is there so many what if? Moreover it is not an easy task to kill it with IS-2 anyway. Also you are acting like Ho-Ri is the only tank you will need to face. You also need to face tiger2H, the faster reload could really help when countering this tank.
Don’t matter that It didn’t got used there you have the Ho Ri or things like the conders SMG there are a ton of proto stuff that never got used on the war but we have them in game for example they can also add the Centurion MK1 or the IS-3
It’s from Warthunder, but both game basically shares the same damage model and modifiers so you can trust on that.
Hmm you have the time to write this sentence but don’t have the time to find an example. Is it too hard to use the search feature in the forum? 
I guess that makes sense now since you pretty much been only doing talking alone here. Zero pictures or clips of you shooting them in the editors etc.
Wdym so many ifs? Like are we really going to play this game now? 
If you want to compare tanks as if only when those low skilled players are driving them, go ahead. Suuurely you wouldn’t have problem going to penetrate KV-1 with anything more than 75mm penetration because they would never ever angles ammaright?
Also, you were the one who brought up Ho-Ri in this argument in the first place and constantly used it for your argument. Now conveniently, i’m the one who talking too much about Ho-Ri now and you want to move on to Tiger 2 suddenly huh?
Doesn’t mean we need to have even more BS.
Apparently you couldn’t even give a valid example. If you play War Thunder before you should know that effective thickness is not the final stuff that determine if penetrate. It is equivalent protection against the specific ammo. But you clearly ignore that.
How do I search without a key word? You can’t even provide any example. So I guess you are just faking all along, you doesn’t have any example. If you really have example why you are so hesitate to provide it.
Oh wow.
You are the one that bring up T44-100 VS Ho-Ri thing not me.
Actually you are right about this one. I skimped out the fact that In enlisted 85mm uses APHE not APHEBC. Good job now you actually provided proofs even tho it took this much back and forth posts to get to here.
Just go search the period when the new major update hit. Frankly, i cba to find every occurrence for something that common and obvious that everyone and their mother basically knows it’s true.
So,
Why do I need to go and search if you have the example? Why is it so hard for you to name it?
Wow so where did I talk about T44-100 vs Ho-Ri?
I was talking about the equivalent of Ho-Ri, T44-100 sure can’t be the equivalent of Ho-Ri right?
Because i’m not gonna do the leg work for you for something so obvious. At this point, i’m thinking that you are intentionally doing this just to waste my time. And if i’m really being honest here, i am wasting time here arguing with you right now.
Ah yes, suuurely, bringing up Ho-Ri in the middle of T-44-100 argument is cleeearly me not talking about the context of T-44-100 vs Ho-Ri. Seriously, if you are going to do this much intentionally disingenuous, mental gymnastics in the argument then i’m not going to waste any more of my time for this.
Oh it is so obvious but you can’t even name one. You are the one that are wasting my time because your argument are back by nothing.
At that time we are talking about your strange equivalent tank theory, not T44-100 vs Ho-Ri. You are the one who started that. I wonder if you have problem with reading stuff.
And seriously try harder next time. Maybe start with how to provide a valid example instead of it is soooo obvious but I can’t say what it is.
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There is a typo. The T-44-100 also cannot penetrate most of the Ferdinand.
