Jumbo does not seem to have any counter for its effective 170mm frontal armor and it can penetrate all p4s. Although there are small weakness to Jumbo, from a distance it is very difficult to see. Only panther is able to penetrate jumbo armor. On the other hand M10 has better gun but can be penetrated by p4. M7 cannon from M10 is able to penetrate any axis tank frontally. So i think it is better to swap them.
Also jUsT fLaNk iT wont work because tommies keep their Jumbo behind the traversable zone and in open sight making it impossible to flank with tank / infantry.
What do you guys think ?
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or better we remove the jumbo for an actually decent tank and give proper ammunition to all US tanks
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I think we need smth better than both tanks for Allies. Not premium ofc.
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Panther can’t pen Jumbo because the armor îs too thick, and Jumbo can’t pen the Panther because the gun is impotent, i’d say it’s pretty balanced
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lol what?
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Another main Axis/German player defending his toys in absurd way.
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What I think? I think you’re an idiot since your reasoning is jumbo armor too thick when the panther and frontally touch it while being immune in return, yes panther and go through jumbo especially around the turret and the usual weak spot. However I would agree if you reasoning was to give more allied players the ability to somewhat fight panther
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Despite some “faction thoughts” I tend to agree about a swap.
IMHO tank destroyers should be mid-level stuff since they are not good enough for late-level due to their lack of anti-infantry capabilities (and the M10 still has the same issue with its ammo like all US tanks/ poor post-pen dmg). This is not only about the M10, but als about the TDs in Berlin. This would help newbies to deal witth late level tanks which are usually superior to their low level counters (at least in Brokemandy) and camping in zones, where they cant nuke them with TNT.
This ofc would require a TD for the Germans too to make it balanced.
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If anything I would take the fighter approach and try to give players a TD at lower levels for the sole purpose of countering heavies while being useless against anything else.
Something that’s all gun like the archer.
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Alright. Let me get this straight. So you want more allies players to counter panther but not more axis players to counter jumbo ?
Plus have you ever played as axis countering an experienced tanker jumbo with p4 from distance ? If yes how did you counter it ?
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And by the way, Panther is level 31 while Jumbo is level 20. No tank under 30, can penetrate jumbo frontally while jumbo can penetrate all axis tanks under 30 frontally.
And by the way i also like to add PAK42 for engineers to both axis & allies instead of useless 57mm AT gun.
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Ok you are really not observant are you? Because if a jumbo is that far then he has no hope in doing damage to the panzer 4s, and no counter to jumbo? Bitch please the axis has everything it needs to counter jumbo since jumbo is shiiit at anti tank duties so the 3s are fast enough to get to the side of it and ammo him, the p4s are potent enough to cripple jumbo frontally, and puma is a fast little bugger. But if there was a way to make panzer 4 more immune to jumbo it was to give it track armor
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Dude every German tank can kill the Jumbo frontally aside from the 3N
Nevermind that the Jumbo has a complete shit AP round so unless the player using it is actually decently skilled he won’t be hurting you too much
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even puma?
StuG III (not sure which model would be historically accurate enough and be able to pen jumbo similar to M10 vs Panther
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yes
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Weakspots, those 1x1mm dots on front, shouldnt be too hard for such skilled faction.
Also flank it.
And detpacks.
in fact its not hard, is that AP dont do shit
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With m72?
IMO the best option would be to replace the Jumbo at least for the time being with 76mm M4A1 Sherman and replace the panther with some TD like Stug G or jagdpanzer IV. Panther and Jumbo could be added as top tier tanks if even brought back.
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