Standardize The Naming Convention & Damage Models Of Japanese 6.5mm Semi-Autos

As of now, we have the following semi-automatic weapons in-game that fall under the “Type Hei”, “Type Otsu” and “Type Ko” families:

  • Type Hei (BR 2 Semi Auto)
  • Type Hei 10 (BR 3 Semi Auto)
  • Type Hei Late (BR 3 Semi Auto)
  • Type Hei Automatic (BR 5 Select-Fire)
  • Type Ko (BR 3 Semi Auto)
  • Type Otsu (BR 2 Semi Auto)

However, these weapons came in both rifle and carbine configurations, which is not reflected in their current naming convention. If the weapons are distinguished between carbines and rifles, this opens the door for more variety for the Japanese tree, as the rifle variants could be given increased damage:

Carbines: 13.9 Damage
Rifles: 14.5+ Damage

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(can’t remember who translated this table, so sorry for not giving them credit)

Here’s how this new naming convention would affect the existing weapons in-game:

  • Type Hei → Type Hei Carbine
  • Type Hei 10 → Type Hei Carbine 10
  • Type Hei Late → Type Hei Late Carbine
  • Type Hei Automatic → Unaffected
  • Type Ko → Type Ko Carbine
  • Type Otsu → Type Otsu Rifle

Feel free to confirm or correct the variants listed.

Examples of the carbine and rifle variants:

Type Hei - Carbine and Rifle
Type Hei Short and Long

Type Hei Late - Carbine and Rifle (Credit: @_DELAVR )

Type Ko - Carbine and Rifle
Type Ko Long vs Short

Type Otsu - Carbine and Rifle

Ultimately, assuming the developers wanted to balance the carbines and rifles differently, this would only affect the Type Otsu’s performance, which would bring it closer to the Fedorov M1912 in terms of strength. It also, as mentioned before, gives the potential to add other variants of these rifle families and distinguish them better. There were even multiple versions of some of these carbine and rifle versions (for example, there are 3 or 4 different versions of the Type Ko Carbine).

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This is a table from Jiro Sayama’s book Introduction to Rifles, Pistols, and Machine Guns (小銃拳銃機関銃入門); here is its translation for the forum:

Category Type Ko Type Otsu Type Hei
Operation Mechanism Recoil-operated, folding Gas-operated Combined (Gas and Recoil)
Overall Length (Long / Short barrel), mm 1160 / 1060 1180 / 1080 1160 / 1060
Barrel Length (Long / Short barrel), mm 673 / 573 650 / 550 690 / 590
Total Weight (w/o magazine) (Long / Short barrel), g 4250 / Unknown 4255 / 4030 4147 / 3785
Magazine Weight (10-round / 5-round), g — / — 190 / 145 226 / 126
Number of Parts, pcs 117 88 98

There is another table from the document Separate Volume No.16 Telling Draft of Explanations for Materials in the Presence of the Emperor (Type A and B Drafts) (1), JACAR (Japan Center for Asian Historical Records) Ref. C13071087600, Telling Draft of Explanations for Materials in the Presence of the Emperor September 1935 (National Institute for Defense Studies of the Ministry of Defense):

Specifications / Rifle Type Type Ko Type Otsu Type Hei Type 38 Rifle
Weight (including loaded magazine), kg 4.250 4.220 4.090 4.200
Caliber, mm 6.5 6.5 6.5 6.5
Overall length, m 1.060 1.080 1.060 1.276
Muzzle velocity, m/s 735 725 740 762
Rate of fire, rounds/min approx. 30 approx. 30 approx. 30
Max. firing range, m approx. 3500 approx. 3500 approx. 3500 4000
Magazine type Rotary (drum) non-detachable Box magazine Box magazine
Operating principle Recoil-operated Gas-operated Combined gas and recoil

Note: The table provides data specifically for the short versions of the rifles.


Instead of separating them into ‘carbine’ and ‘rifle’, I would prefer dividing them into ‘long’ and ‘short’ rifles. That is slightly more accurate if translated literally. Although it’s a small detail, it would be nice to preserve the nation’s local flavor, especially considering that the ‘Type 99 Long’ already exists. Also, the Type Hei automatic rifle was actually called an ‘ultra-light machine gun’. Additionally, there is an interesting example of the Type Ko rifle featuring a folding bayonet similar to the Type 44 carbine. This specific model can indeed be classified as a carbine.



It seems that in both photos, both rifles are early Type Hei models with short barrels. In fact, all early Type Hei rifles have minor differences, but they all feature a short barrel length. I also haven’t seen an early version of the Type Ko rifle with a long barrel; early versions should have some differences, the easiest of which to notice is the smooth magazine body (as seen on the Type Ko carbine above). Apparently, only the short versions were submitted during the early stage of the trials? I also have an archival photograph—which I don’t want to publish just yet—that shows very early Type Ko, Type Otsu, and Type Hei rifles, and all of them are short versions.


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Yes but with the caveat of switching “carbine” to Short and rifle to “Long”, so as to have the appropriate translation and application of Japanese military nomenclature and naming standards. With the exception of specific rifles that were given an explicit “Carbine” variant in lieu of the typical type year-of-reign denomination.

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this should be done assap

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