Splitting the USA into Commonwealth(UK) and USA

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#[Should the US tech tree be split into UK and US]

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This is the main idea I got this video from:
A CommonWealth Tree in Enlisted? Full Breakdown. YT Video by Slakrrrrrr

Now, the idea proposed in the video is to split the current USA tech tree into UK and USA, as to give much more weapon and gameplay variety. This is not about splitting the tree into subtrees, this is splitting the current US tech tree entirely into two separate tech trees, one Commonwealth, and one US
In the video, he goes into the intricate details but the main reason are this:

This first point is the most important one.
-In the video, he already has used real life guns and prototypes to make essentially complete research trees for this divide with each weapon type, complete with stats, BR, and explanation of historical context so for the dev team, the research work is done. He got this information from a reputable source I believe, which is the Vickers MG collection and Research Association’s Patreon, and the Forgotten Weapons Youtube Channel. Half the work is done, just take the leap of faith just like you guys did with the Merge. :face_holding_back_tears::pray:

-The US tech tree is really bloated, with a lot of fillers that would be great in a separate research tree, such as having a huge amount of rifles in BR 2 and 3. Not only this, but the US tech tree is so much larger than something like Japan which is inevitable but splitting the current US tree into US and UK trees that are separate would help the imbalance a little. :+1:

-This ties in the previous point but heavy weapon competition is a big issue in these bigger trees. A lot of the time, you have to choose between the USA weapon or the UK weapon and often one is just better so you end up having to use that one. I am not expert on this since I play Germany but just looking at the tech tree it is things like the Grease gun vs the Lanchester, the Lanchester is just better, the Sniper Lee Enfeild vs the Sniper Garand, the Sniper Enfield is just better. I’m not saying UK is better or UK bias shit but these are just examples I thought up from the top of my head. :mending_heart:

-This would make campaigns make a lot more sense since the US and UK did fight in some different fronts. By making the battles each tree fights in a bit more accurate, all the people crying about how the campaign system before the merge was better get what they want in a way.:tada:

-This would be much better for the long term health of the game since, by creating more research tress, you create more space to put new weapons, planes, or vehicles and give more play ability long term for more committed players who are probably going to spend money on the game. I’m looking at you Gaijin.:money_mouth_face::money_mouth_face:

-This is part of the previous point but since there is so much more space in the tech tress, Gaijin and Darkflow might actually start adding weapons that would be really good for the tech tree, into the tech tree instead of a premium or event weapon. For example, why is the Type 97 AT rifle with the HEAT shell not tech tree? Japan literally has no tech tree AT weapon at BR 4 that is unique and has a barren tech tree overall, so why would you make the Type 97 HEAT launcher a event weapon? However, this ideal scenario is probably unlikely considering it’s Gaijin lol. :joy:

-The other thing is that since this is a fan made idea( by Slakrrrrrr), the specifics are not set in stone.

-Please note, this will also make the company more money from selling more possible premium items overall and creates more loyal experienced players as they just have more trees to grind and more content to unlock while giving new players even more options. :fire:

To be fair, the only way this topic actually does anything is if it has thousands of likes and zero dislikes since big game companies like this rarely do anything dramatic unless it looks like it will make everyone happy and no one unhappy so if you actually care about this and want this to happen, don’t get your hopes up. :sob::wilted_flower::broken_heart:

And last thing, this is also related to splitting the German tech tree into Germans and Italians but Slakrrrrrr only mentions this in his video and didn’t actually do any research on what would go into those specific trees, just thought I would mention that.

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Here is the link for the vid since it provides a way more in depth details.

https ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsDTwmxBGnI

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Also, this is contributing to the post since this is the source material/video. This is the core foundation of what I am trying to say, this video right here.

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Should the current US faction be split into USA and Commonwealth?
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the GOAT right here

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I would be fine if the Allies commonwealth were split, however, I don’t see the dev’s doing it.

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It would have to be a massive update where Italy also splits from germany, and eventually the offshoots start sub-factioning their own.

That said, I’m still 100% in favor of it. Done correctly it wouldn’t change matchmaking at all. UK and USA factions would match on the same team for battles.

I do think they’re laying the groundwork for this, though clumsily, with the event alt squads.

Once alt squads exist for each nation you can start to separate them, isolate them. I don’t think TT weapons necessarily need to be fully separate. US and UK shared lots of tech, I’d be happy with separate TT research required, but not fully distinct weapons, kind of how the pre-merge unlocks worked, but by nation instead of by theater. Keep it as historical as you can, maybe it ends up being a boon to the game. For instance if USA has better tanks at a BR but Commonwealth has better SMGs, maybe I’m a guy who doesn’t play tanks, so as a fully Commonwealth guy with wicked SMGs, some of my teammates are USA guys with wicked tanks.

Just shooting from the hip here, i dunno, i prefer more variety with minimal effect on matchmaking, is all I’m saying.

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That would be the biggest obstocle when it comes to the Dev’s. :rofl:

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there are 0 benefits having UK being it’s own TT when devs clearly stated that will be releasing Pre merge squads in the silver box and new sub faction squads ( such as the event of few weeks ago ).

( granted, they should have taken a better route. like seasonal shops that every once in a while show up and adds new squads for purchase in rotation for silver )

but having mixed line ups is also a cool thing to have which i don’t see why should be taken away.

at the end of the day, you can eventually have TT squads and full line ups of only brits or us.

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Cause now you can have a team mixed up with US and UK player. And shouting at each other as how they do in history.

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you can literally change their nationality for a single appearance order.

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Nice limit, I can’t even add more messages because durr durrr first day users , appreciate enthusiam, fuck you, you can’t post.
0 benefits? Is that just dev speak for too much work? That is perfectly understandable but just say that. My only issue with this is tht Slakrrrrrr has already made a video on what a US and Commonwealth tech tree would look like.

I would also not trust the opinion of an Enlisted tester that much considering the horrendous choices they make for some vehicle and squad BR’s. Half the premium squads that go on sale are shit because they are too high BR even though they are premium squads.

We have Tank Destroyers with no turret, worse armor, and the same gun as medium/heavy tanks on the same BR, making TDs literally fucking unplayable. The Jagpanther IV is straight up worse than the Panther or Tiger you get at BR 4. The Ferdinard at BR 5 has more flat “turret armor” but it is a huge target that enemy infantry will just snipe with Panzerfausts compared to the small ass turret weakspot on the Tiger II.

I think every game with testers has suffered this, the testers can’t balance the game or they simply choose not to. They don’t know what is good and what performs because a lot of the time they don’t even play the game themselves. Not to hate on this tester specifically but just take what Enlisted testers say with a grain of salt.

Slowly adding in squads to give you a full lineup. You don’t give us perfectly rolled soldiers… You don’t give us machine gunner 3s you give us machine gunner 2s. You really for a second think anyone is going to use that italian mg squad you gave us? You aren’t even trying, you’re just hoping it will happen. I mentioned the Italian squad because I only play Germany.

Also, I don’t want mixed lineups at all, I want it to jsut be British or American. Having mixed lineups the whole purpose of having these british or italian squads.

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not at all.

there aren’t just any benefits when they actively started handing out squads with missing troopers for the sub factions.

and are planning on delivering more.

CC makes stuff up all the time.

… but so developers.

sure i guess.

you’re entitled to your opinion no matter how silly it can be :wink:

but, enlisted testers for your information don’t make decisions lol.

we just test stuff and report bugs.

it’s up to developers what to do with the info being given as well as suggestions.

rather irrelevant to the thread at hand.

i could complain about cosmetics orAPCs too if ya want.

but that hardly has to do with anything here.

… i’m sure such projections are etertaining to listen.

but i can’t say i really care to be honest.

a tester’s job is to report issue.

not make up santa’s wish list.

but, to each their own.

specifically but just take what Enlisted testers say with a grain of salt.

like everyone else.

Slowly adding in squads to give you a full lineup. You don’t give us perfectly rolled soldiers… You don’t give us machine gunner 3s you give us machine gunner 2s. You really for a second think anyone is going to use that italian mg squad you gave us? You aren’t even trying, you’re just hoping it will happen. I mentioned the Italian squad because I only play Germany.

Except you can buy perfect soldiers ( though, that’s pretty much rng )

and then include them in your US / UK / GER / ITA squads and change their nationality.

appearance orders are handled quite often during events or bps.

… even silver crates.

And i, like mixed squads.

why should i lose the ability when you, on your end, can pretty much decide to not include mixed squads?

why should other players lose such ability?

i like running with mixed paras ( brits and us ones )

not to mention,

from a balance perspective, removing low br weapons of the brits would severaly remove tons of options for us and vice versa.

… italy would pretty much not make it pass br III without germany.

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The problem is this will split the playerbase.

I don’t think dev have the ability to fill and maintain a new research tree. They already struggling to add stuff for current 4 research tree.

They said that they might add a version without shield in the future.

Doubt, they are literally selling stuff that should have been added to UK tech tree as premium. Adding a UK tech tree will actually decrease the possible premium item that they can sell.

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notice how you didn’t read the entirety of my message at all. Slakrrrrrr already made a research tree for Italy, he did the research, and he made a video. He did the same thing for America if the current US tree split. He has already laid the ground work with three videos, one for what the UK, US, and Italy would look like after the divide. Germany already has enough weapons to not need further additions to its tree. Slakrrrrrr already filled out the tress in these videos.

Italy: https ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdvbiTVxPH4&t=136s
America: https ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hwox4c8v8rc&t=421s
U.K.: https ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsDTwmxBGnI
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right he is doing the making up stuff work for you. crazy how he is listing prototypes and concept weapons, crazy how the devs do the same thing, did you watch the videos?

you’re right, but most people don’t know that and still think your opinion is worth more than anybody else’s

machine gunner 3’s aren’t italian, machine gunner 3’s aren’t british.

assaulter 4’s aren’t british, assaulter 3’s are british but assaulter 3s are just worse than assaulter 4s.

On another note, when will the message restrictions stop, I am having to wait multiple hours before I can even make one single message

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I don’t expect the dev team to be able to do all the work themselves but the ground work is done via Slakrrrrrr’s three videos. He even made a video on what a French tree would look like but I think right now that is stretching it.

I obviously don’t expect the devs to be able to create all of this from scratch.

Italy:
Italy: https ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdvbiTVxPH4&t=136s
America: https ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hwox4c8v8rc&t=421s
U.K.: https ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsDTwmxBGnI
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I’m a relatively new player but didn’t the merge split the playerbase as well? I think this is a far less extreme change than completely removing the campaign system.

the real question is whether it is better to have more content in the tech tree or as premium items.

they have the assets, they already have the weapon coded into the game, why would they not just release it now?

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well, it is like the chuddha meme. Chuddha says he will boycott movie. NPC says but the movie will make 1 billion in box office. Chudda says 1 billion - 1.

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:skull::sob::joy:

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I didn’t mean find stuff to add, I mean to actually create those stuff. We only receive 1 to 2 stuff per faction in a major update. Player base are not happy with it. Did dev have the ability to add a lot of new stuff for UK without affecting adding stuff for other factions?

The merge is called merge because it actually merge the playerbase. We previously have 6 campaign and 2 faction per campaign so a total of 12 faction. Now we only have 4 faction.

They only release tech tree stuff on major update.

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well it would make the factions more balanced since even a barebones italy or UK faction is still probably as big as Japan which has been in the game for a while

It is definetly true creating that stuff will take lot of time but at least the brainstorming idea is down. This would be a really big project and I think if the development team commited to it and simply worked on it and reused old events and stuff it could be possible.

if they do this I’d say it’s a damn big update.

yeah it essentially removed the old system entirely and completely changed it, I think adding two factions is difficult and a big change but nowhere as near as gamechaning as fundementally changing the way the game is played.

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