I’m just going to leave this here and quietly leave…
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You should realize that the Yak9K fighter plane is probably the Soviets’ best tank destroyer. Bombers are currently very weak, as all HE shells have been nerfed, making them more of a waste that can only be useful occasionally.
100 kg bombs are quite impressive; I destroyed their King Tigers in an La7. They have a 500 kg bomb, but it’s complete garbage because the Junkers is extremely slow. Introducing such an aircraft to the Soviets would be sabotage.
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Then just say that instead of complaining and straight up lying that:
“Oh no, urss is incapable of bombing tanks in br3! We suffer!”
It would be accepted much more easily.
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“I think flying a slow and sluggish aircraft with only two MGs, just to get a 500kg bomb in BR II, is fun and I wish the Soviets had something similar.” Is a way more respectable opinion than…
What…? That “the IL-2 is trash and can’t take out tanks”…?
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If I cause you any displeasure, I’ll apologize first.
But what I don’t understand is
Your country says that things don’t need examples, don’t need to present facts, don’t need to explain causes and effects, and then go on to make demands?? In that case, in my country, before making any demands, one must first explain the rationality of the matter, give examples, and present the facts.
Clarify the cause-and-effect relationship. Without this, it will not be responded to.
This is an essential part. If you understand it, it’s just common sense.
Don’t understand? Skip this part. It would be better to directly understand the spirit instead.
Of course, different countries may have different grammars and customs, right?
If you really love the Il-2M aircraft, then I apologize. However, in the War Thunder game, the Il-2M is equipped with 250 kilograms of bombs.
This aspect is something I am very dissatisfied with. The logic is as follows: There are two types of airplanes.
Attack aircraft and fighter aircraft
The Soviet Union had combat aircraft of level 3.
So this part is skipped.
Level 3 attack aircraft
Currently, there are no 250-kilogram or 500-kilogram options.
Only rockets and 100 kilograms
Rockets require extremely advanced technology to be usable.
I admit that my skills are not sufficient to handle this rocket.
Even a 100-kilogram bomb still requires the cooperation of the enemy. It must not move.
Moreover, in the game data, a 100-kilogram bomb only has a penetration depth of 69 points and an explosion range of 4.8 meters. If the bomb explodes on the front of the tank, or if you keep pressing the accelerator and drive away for 5 meters.
There is simply no way to complete the kill.
On the other hand, a bomb of the 500-kilogram size
With a penetration depth of 93 points and an explosion range of 14.6 meters
Has an extremely high error tolerance rate Has a higher kill rate
This is why the Soviet Type 3 attack aircraft was unable to bomb the tanks. He wasn’t lying; it was an objective fact.
As mentioned earlier, the Il-2 in my possession cannot easily destroy tanks. The rockets cannot hit them. Although the bombs can precisely hit the tanks, the enemy’s tanks can simply escape by keeping the accelerator pressed.
As I mentioned earlier, the presentation methods of some countries require our tolerance. Please bear with us. Understanding the spirit is sufficient. There should be no emotional interpretation.
Thank you
“My country” or culture,
Just cannot stand lies, and those making them.
To resume:
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It is fine to ask for Soviets new planes, for things that are different.
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It is NOT fine to lie like you did to get a new plane. To say Soviets air force cannot bomb tanks well in br3 is falsehood. And frankly ridiculous.
As such you will not be taken seriously, as your poll results show.
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Just ask for new Soviets planes, even with bigger bombs, BECAUSE IT’S FUN AND DIFFERENT. NOT because “Soviets suffer”.
Then watch as the polls results become a positive “yes”.
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Actually, I think the two Soviet Il-2 attack aircraft and the P-40 are already sufficient. The P-40 with two 100-kg bombs and one 250-kg bomb, there’s no need to explain. The 1941 model of the Il-2 with eight rockets and four 50-kg bombs, if you are skilled at handling it, it is enough to destroy tanks of 3 BR or below (even if its rockets hit the side of a Panther tank, it can still blow it up). If your skills are not up to par, you can fly the Il-2 M3 with four rockets and four 100-kg bombs, and it can still destroy tanks of 3 BR or below. If you still can’t hit them, you can even use the 23mm cannon to attack the top of the opposing vehicles and still destroy them.
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What you’re talking about - my lies? You said you couldn’t stand it.
I can’t force you to accept it either. But I would like to state that I am being sincere, not lying.
Because it doesn’t involve any interests, or those aspects are not important.
Thank you for understanding my request that “The Soviet Union needs better bombers”.
As for what you said about lying,
I have already explained in detail the Level 3 attack aircraft, its problems and the difficulties it faces.
It’s not that it has to be 100% impossible to succeed to be considered a difficulty.
Finally, if you can’t forgive and won’t take it seriously, then so be it. I can’t change your mind either.
As for the voting, it doesn’t matter either.
Just today, I’m in a good mood and came to the forum to express my feelings and make my requests.
I failed, but there will be another chance. Next time.
I’m not targeting the Soviet Union.
Regarding any shortcomings of any faction, I will bring them up and demand better alternatives. The Soviet Union, the United States, Germany, Japan - all of them. Finally, I would like to thank you for explaining so much to me.
After reading your explanation, I finally understood what they were talking about.
Thank you for your explanation.
In my understanding, when facing a tank, an aircraft needs to fly quickly past, drop the bombs, kill the tank, then abandon the aircraft and return to the ground to continue the battle with friends.
The purpose is simply to destroy this tank as quickly as possible.
Indeed, if you are a pilot, you completely ignore the ground operations. You just want to attack this tank. With rockets and bombs, you can attack three or four times. Even if all attempts fail, you can continue to increase the altitude and use the cannon to attack the tank, causing serious damage. However, this wastes the combat turns on the ground for me. What I want is to destroy the tank within one minute and then return to my ground combat position to continue participating in the attack.
I don’t have that much free time to repeatedly launch attack rounds on the plane.
Also, it’s necessary to quickly make room on the plane for those who need it. Of course, this is a very personal matter and doesn’t require others to understand.
I hope to have the tools that suit me.
I didn’t expect that perhaps others might have been very satisfied already.
You do not understand.
Your vote/poll would SUCCEED if you asked for a new plane for Soviets, WITHOUT saying urss struggles.
Players like new things. For all factions. Myself included.
But you came saying the new plane is needed, for a buff… it is not. Soviets probably already have the best br3 attackers (if you don’t count allies Grizzly that probably should be br4.)
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Do we want new Soviets planes, slower, but with a big bomb? Of course!
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Do Soviets suffer in br3? No. Not at all. Probably even have best CAS already.
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Yes, I don’t understand.
Clearly, our goals are the same.
Why can’t we all work together in unity to achieve our goals?
Although the paths to the goals may differ
Perhaps others have their own beliefs that I don’t understand either.
However, at present, except for the Soviet Union, all other countries do possess bombers capable of carrying bombs of the 500-kilogram size.
The largest bomb that the Soviet Union has is only 100 kilograms (rated at level 3 or below). What I want to say is that in the high-dose scenario, the Soviet Union did have some flaws.
Of course, the friend upstairs explained that part to me, and I understood that aircraft can also be involved in multi-wave attacks. Indeed, the Il-2M has many methods, but each of them requires superb skills.
I like straightforward and simple things.
There is an old saying in games: The simpler and more straightforward the terms are, the more powerful they are.
Those that are overly fancy must be very weak.
Or they can be called: One point of strength can defeat ten points of skill.
Understanding each other differently can also mean respecting, understanding and tolerating.
Of course, I know that the Soviet Union and the United States have a dominant position at level 3.
However, I also hope that all other factions have certain things as well - the Soviet Union should have them too.
I have previously requested various things for other factions as well.
Everyone hopes that the game will be better. Thank you for providing me with a detailed explanation.
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ehhhhh not really lol
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This actually indicates that we are two types of players with different understandings of the game. Of course, when facing a situation where both sides are equally matched, I will try to stay on the ground and attack alongside my teammates. When facing a high-threat tank on the ground and my teammates have no one to target the tank, I will also destroy the opponent through a quick suicide attack and then continue to return to the ground to fight with my teammates. However, when the opponent is too weak, I usually hone my flying skills in the sky. Firstly, this way the battle won’t end too quickly. Secondly, it fits my definition of leisure entertainment. Thirdly, it allows me to maintain proficiency in aircraft bomb-dropping attack techniques. So, do I need an attacker with a larger bomb load when facing the Soviet BR3? My understanding is that it is already sufficient, but if you can add the kind of attacker you mentioned, I would welcome it. It would give me another new option.
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wise words coming from euthy
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is very funny that even you someone who defends the fact that urrs is weak disagrees with this post
ah if only red parrots (@decard) was still alive to tell you how stupid this idea is @MAHORO because even him would think that this is straigth up nonsense
there’s something called objectivity, im objective on every matter
if some of my talking points are pro ussr or anti that just means they’re objectively correct
im not like you faction nerds, i enjoy all factions and have more games on germany than ussr.
Usually im pro ussr on Germania saffers topics
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You’ve completely fallen into political correctness now and have lost your objective perspective.
Of course, I was just talking about the game. I also emphasized that in level 3, the Soviet Union held a dominant position.
However, regarding the specific issues of the large-scale bombing aircraft
The Soviet Union was in a weak position.
Other countries such as the United States, Germany and Japan all have levels below 3.
A 500-kilogram bomb
However, the Soviet Union only had pitifully small 100-kilogram bombs. This is an objective fact.
The problems and difficulties caused by this fact have also been discussed by me above.
What I’m referring to is the absence of specific types of aircraft. As for the matters of the other factions, I will raise new demands when I am in the mood on that day.
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So was our misunderstanding here? What I want to convey is
The Soviet Union level 3 did not have the capability to use bombs - an effective means of using bombs for bombing the enemy with a high degree of error tolerance. Refers specifically to the level 3 aircraft of the Soviet Union that did not possess large-yield bombs.
It’s not that the Soviet Union was unable to destroy tanks.
What I wrote is about bombing, not killing.
Jacques 9K: I also made a purchase, so the P40 is no longer an option.
I also placed particular emphasis on the attack aircraft section, where it also discussed 100-kilogram bombs and rockets. The specific problems and difficulties I encountered personally.
Perhaps I was too subjective. I only mentioned myself and did not provide any explanations.
Also, thank you for your patience.
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Thank you for your guidance. I understand.
Next time, I will directly state what I want.
The Pe-2 bomber can be equipped with 500-kilogram bombs and is rated at level 3. Similar suggestions
Thank you
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