The pacific war and the war in europe where largely two seperate conflicts which only were merged into WW2 just because of their timing and not because japan and germany had much in commen/ fought side by side.
So while technicly WW 2 did not end until september all of the fighting in europe ended stoped in may so any US vs germany mach can only have taken place up until this point.
Nothing about having weapons used that were created only after the surrender is immersive or realistic. But as long as the US also fights germany this is always a possibility when you give them the artificial extention to the war.
While this might technicly give japan an “advantage” when fighting the US since it isnt having to abide by and early end to the war in europe but honestly they are the faction that is in the most dire need for a thing as they always were behind the othere factions equipment wise.
I personally as kind sick seeing post war weapons beeing proposed to be added to fight germany but how do you feel about it?
EDIT: Already existing content would most likely stay since devs would not remove existing content but hopefully we could keep it at just that.
Should equipment be limited to May 45 when germany surrendered ?
No, post war weapons in europe are fine.
Yes, but just for US
Yes, but for both US and japan
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EDIT: Since USSR now also is in mancuria they probably also should be mentioned now
Personally, I just want the direction to be clearly stated, no matter which one is decided upon.
I’m fine with staying WW2 purist, nothing post war…
But then we’ll have to do something about the 1946 Soviet jet.
We’ll also have to contend with the fact that some of the current factions are running out of common sense unlocks if we are to stay WW2-only… The Soviets are clearly the ones suffering from this the most, they’re basically finished in terms of relevant gear to add, the rest is just a question of “what obscure prototype might we add as a equivelant to what another faction has…?”
Subfactions are clearly the future in this landscape, but the devs have repeatedly made it known in both statements and actions that they’re not interested in going this direction… They’d rather milk them for unique event/premium squads than put in the effort to make them into their own fully functional subfactions.
I’m fine with the game going full post war, into Korea…
But that direction has to be made publicly clear.
I mean, as a avid Commonwealth enjoyer, I would welcome the excuse to add a couple of vehicles from the Centurion tank series, the EM-2 assault rifles (“Rifle No. 9 Mk I”), and much more… Early Cold-War is an interesting period, and many have argued that the Korean War is basically just “WW2-Continued”.
But… Expanding in this direction won’t be universally popular, and it does put a greater focus on the current factions rather than widening/expanding the current scope of the game (building tall as opposed to wide, not nessesarily a con, just something to keep in mind).
So… Just pick one, and stick to it… That’s what I want.
While continueing with korean war might be a possibility for the US and USSR faction it isnt really one for germany so how do you deal with a faction that just disappered?
Do you give west germany just leased US stuff (and also USSR since east germany) or what?
are they just stuck with WW2 stuffand just stop recieving shit at all?
Having germany destroyed by WW2 kinda makes any continueation kinda impossible since at some point everything just gets outdated by to much.
One could argue that, since the technological gap between Korea and Late-WW2 is insignificant, and Germany can support themselves on current gear just fine, as well as adding any number of new Wunderwaffe, they might well be able to stay more than competative against a Korean War force.
As a comparison… 1951 UK, with free access to technically adopted weaponry and vehicles, would still only be in BR V in terms of power level… I can’t answer for the other forces, but my understanding is that it’s much the same for the others as well… A Centurion Mk III is comparable to a Tiger II (better pen and mobility traded for post-pen damage and armour, both tanks would have no problem dealing with the other).
We could also go in the direction that we have Korea, a historical conflict, and then on top of that we also keep the other fronts active too in the same BRs, to represent alternate history “what if WW2 lasted longer”. We’re basically there already, considering that we have free access to M2 Carbines and Meteors in the US tree already (every Tom, Dick, and Harry having access to them really demistifies their true rarity and scope of usage). Japan has a whole lot of things that “could have rolled out” if the war had continued already in the game… We’re already seeing 1946 combat.
I’m not opposed to alternate history campaigns… Not least of all because we already got them…
I am less concerned about the officialy widely adopted weapons than the new prototypes beeing enabled which one way or another would appear if continued. That would be 8 years of prototypes again which would just have to compete with 1945 stuff.
I don’t think the Pattons, MiG 15 and F-86s will have any problems with that obsolete weaponry. Not to mention the rest of the weaponry
Germany only has fictitious weaponry to combat the prototypes of WW2, but not those of the post-war period, due to the large amount of arms development in those years.In which Germany withdrew from the arms race
The Patton is entierly comparable to the Tiger II, so that’s not accurate.
I grant though that some of the jets could be an issue.
No, do go on, explain how a firearm, when we take out reliability and manufacturing concerns, are inherently better just because of when it was adopted.
Because, the EM-2 is just another 30-round assault rifle… Bullets don’t care which year it was manufactured, they’ll still hurt like hell.
As for manheld AT… My understanding is that US AT weaponry, the M20 bazooka, is comparable to the Ofenrohr. RPG-2 wouldn’t be that different to anything currently in game, either.
The more accurate statement is that everyone else has pictious prototypes to combat german weaponry.
Not saying I agree with the 1-to-1 balance choice for the game, it’s just the accurate explenation for why the game looks like it does now.
280mm. Better yes, but do consider that we currently have a BR V with no AT weaponry in it…
And… 200 vs 280 is basically uninteresting in terms of what’s needed in late BRs… Both will front-pen any tank you shoot it at. Including Korean War tanks.
So untrue…
When in comes to combat in Enlisted… No, neither the M46 or M47 would be too much for the Tiger II to handle.
“Age is just a number”, as they say.
Actually explain why a bullet manufacture in 1951 hurts more than one in 1945.
The game functions on numbers, if the numbers are comparable, it’s balanced… The only number that doesn’t matter is the year of adoption… PPSh-41 is infinately superior to a MP 3008, for obvious reasons.
The M1921 Thompson outdoes the MP 40 any day of the week as they are in game… There’s a two decade difference between them.
We already have equipment appearing in battles that happen before its creation. For example, me262, king tiger, and vg1-5 in Stalingrad.
Having equipment develop after German surrender is the same thing, they are both equipment appearing in battles that happen before its creation.
Moreover its not like it took several years for WW2 to end after the surrender of Germany, it only took several months. There is little impact on game.
For me there is a huge diffrence here between a distorted timeline and straight up time travel.
All of the early maps can still be somewhat believable if you eighter
see each map as just some generic late war village or city.
Or you just enter an what if secnario of: What if moscow happend in 1945.
Both thing can kinda work for a WW2 game since 100% HA is kinda impossible unless you do 500 seperate queues for each seperate historical simulation.
Haveing gear that just did not exist ishad to much of an “what if you time tavel an M1 abrams into WW 2” vibe for me and allowes leeway for bullshit that never even served (like the M26 T 99 that was only tested in december) or if they did only for like the last 3 days of the war and never had time to actually be shipped across the ocean.
Yet those months where still used to develop stuff to counter what the germans had. Stuff to notably was entirely missing in europe.
Kriegerfaust has requested a lot of such stuff already so there is no need for me to repeat all that.
nope.
The only thing I kinda relpaced was the location of an engagement. In what you suggest you also make up what then german army after its collapse would look like and what kind of weaponry they would have access to in september.
If germany had survived till september a number of IRL cancelled projects would have had been completed by then / not needed to be stopped. So unless you support “historical” stuff like the panther 2 or other fantasy wunderwaffen beeing added due to this exact what if scenario…
It’s simple, 1945 is the cut off year. If it was made in that year with the purpose of serving in the war then it’s alright with me. Whether it’s in Europe or in Asia
Except the what if location assume the location stay in the correct period. The what if battle of Moscow happen in 1945 will not make up the location using 1945 stuff. So why should what if battle of Berlin September 1945 make up weaponry?
You still didn’t provide me what kind of super weapon Allies made in such period that will totally ruin your “immersion”. Where is your M1 abrams?