Return PPD-34/38 (sectoral) to 1 BR

I don’t know English, so I use Google Translate.

Hello everyone! And no, this is not about the PPD-34/38 with a drum magazine, but about the old one from the campaign days. It was replaced in the “Large Caliber” update.

  • The PPD-34/38 (sectoral) was replaced with the PPD-34 and an updated model.

Here he is:


The one on top was available earlier, and the one on the bottom is available now.

Here are a couple more photos for comparison:
PPD-34/38 (sectoral)


PPD-34


In terms of performance, I suggest giving it the same characteristics as the PPD-40 (except for the magazine, of course).* It is also possible to consider changing the ammunition to 7.63 instead of 7.62.

Why and how: the Americans have the M3 and M3A1, the Germans have the MP-28 and MP-34, MP-38, and MP-40, and the Japanese have the Type 100 early and Type 100 late. The Soviets need something similar.

  • Add to 1 BR
  • Add 1 with a change of ammunition to 7.63
  • Do not add
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Why is it needed?

For variety. Soviets only have 1 smg in br 1

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Well, if that’s the problem, then it would be better to find something new and original, otherwise it will be a clone.

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It is a free gun already modeled in the editor. It would be dumb to not use it. Also adding ppd 34/38 wouldn’t exclude getting more unique guns later

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Basically everything the USSR used in WW2 has already been found and is in the game

Why… all PPD-34’s were chambered in 7.62x25 Tokarev…

And in general it’s not different enough from the normal PPD-34 to justify it in the tech tree, maybe as an event weapon

well, Soviets could possible have the Uragan have its fire rate lowered to 500, its damage changed to normal 7.62 and moved to BR1. Its easier to find a submachine for BR3 than for BR1.

or there is also a PPD variant shared by @TheSaboteur59 in the comments of an suggestion.
I dont know about any other suitable Soviet submachine guns that could be BR1 and dont be a copy paste of PPD-34.

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PPT-27 premium is br1

7.63x25 mauser and 7.62x25 tokarev are basically interchangeable. thats why the MP717 and the PPSh-41 have different rate of fires in this game due to the differences in the cartridge they fire affecting the gun’s cyclic rate

wrong.
Mp717(r) is an early pattern ppsh41 only made in 1941/42 which has different sights (adjustable tangent sights instead of the fixed one) and a slower rate of fire.
The muzzle velocity difference is small that its effect is not even worth considering in our case (since all fire rate is a rounded value).

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Prove me wrong and give me proof that 7.63 mauser doesn’t reduce the ROF of a PPSh-41

I should have been more clear. I meant br 1 tech tree smgs

i believe that they can find some prototype from between ww1 and post ww2 to add to the game :rofl:

nah… they have different rate of fire cause devs decided to do so and not cause of cartridge. mauser and tokarev cartridges are more or less same. there is debate on whether original tokarev had 10% more load vs mauser or if it had same load. but regardless of that, they both had ~same ballistic properties when tested.

here is from similar disccusion: Difference between 7.63×25 and 7.62×25 - #26 by JPeelen - General Ammunition Discussion - International Ammunition Association Web Forum

According to Russian manuals for the Mauser pistol (dated 1933-1938) and TT pistol (dated 1935-1940), this is the ballistic performance of the Mauser and TT cartridges:

Mauser = bullet 5,5 g, propellant 0,5 g, mv 425 m/s, barrel length 140 mm (1933).
Mauser = bullet 5,5 g, propellant 0,5 g, mv 400 m/s, barrel length 98 mm (1938).
TT = bullet 5,52 g, propellant 0,59 g, mv 420 m/s, barrel length 116 mm (1935-1940).

For comparison, here is the ballistic performance of the 7.63 mm Mauser cartridge published by DWM during the 1930’s:

1930: bullet 5,5 g, propellant 0,53 g, mv 420 m/s, barrel lenght 140 mm.
1934: bullet 5,5 g, propellant 0,52 g, mv 443 m/s, barrel lenght 140 mm, pressure 2500 kg/cm2.
1937: Same as above.

if you take russian data into account then equivalent muzzle velocity for equivalent ~116mm mauser would be ~412m/s. so according to their measurements ~20% extra load gives ~2% extra muzzle velocity, which would mean that their propellant is weaker than german.

btw i dove into this rabbit hole when i was bored some 2-3 years ago cause of ppsh41/mp717r debate and there is no conclusive evidence either way(well at least on english with original ammo). lots of countries added extra load post ww2 to tokarev and post ww2 american made mauser was apparently loaded with less load and almost all literature quotes values for post ww2 cartridges.

this is an old skin of ppd with some wrong things in it) It was replaced by new in 2022-2023)