Replace Jumbo already with a M4A2 (76). and no panthers are going to be needed

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For their armor they pay with pretty weak cannon. They just can’t penetrate Pz. 4 while you can penetrate them.

To discard some questions - Germans in all compains are my mains.

Speaking about skill - it’s equall for both sides. Jumbo has better armor (overall) but worse gun, Germans have better gun and less armor. In my opinion talanted tanker can do much more with Pz. 4 bcs of better firepower.

3-4 hits and Jumbo explodes.
In my experience they can’t even penetrate me while I kill 1-2 crew from each shot. They only way they can survive - hide their MG dot and prey that I won’t shoot them in another weak spot in tower.

Yeah, that’s stupid. I added some text about it and other explosives. I think it’s just a bug of Jumbo model.

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However not weak enough to make it useless against Pz IV, while its armor is strong enough to make the gun of Pz IV useless against the Jumbo

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guess what, just because it’s not similar, it can still pen you despite being angled.

i even show videos above.

and i don’t think none of the two individials were even aiming properly.

justify the lack of weapon with armor,

it’s not a valid point.

because no german or soviet vehicles ( outside the t50 ) can even think to survive shots while having a bad weapon.

again, exept, you don’t need skill to use a jumbo.

and you need a lot of for the germans.

try to sit with both tanks in spawn, and let’s see who score the most points.
guess what, jumbos.

even if they have a ““worse”” gun, they can still be a pain in the ass from a far positon that you can’t reach.

the same can’t be said about pzs.

1-2 and any german tank explode.

fair uh?.

b a l a n c e.

no offence, but do you hear your self?.

you are comparing carrots with potatos.

weather we could argue that all tanks are different and can’t be the same, it’s ok.

but it’s not justifiable the introduction of a jumbo.

according to the same logic, just give a maus to the berlin campaign.

right?

after all it can still be penned through weakspot right?.

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@GeneralBrus @ErikaKalkbrenner okay.
Can you wait few days and I will make few short videos how to correctly play on Pz.4 against Jumbos?

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no thanks.

i have enoguh hour to know how to play, thanks.

simply you don’t understand that it’s not fair, and not skill based according the the own words of this game.

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But on videos you’re playing bad, dude.
How I can accept your point of view if you’re not playing correctly against Jumbos?

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surely i don’t need an OBT member to tell me how to play.

thanks.

and it’s not playing " bad " when you are correctly aiming for weakspot.

and guess what, no CAS available.

nor, being able to flank because unlike jumbo, you have to be weary of infantry.

which speaking of, i don’t recall jumbo players that needs to be forced to flank in order to beat the enemy tank, now do they?

i don’t see why german tankers have to be forced to do so.

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it’s simple and linear gameplay.

i don’t understand how is it hard for you to get it.

it always have been like that from the alpha, i don’t see why unecessary changes has to be made.

like, they are not even missing vehicles to say " oh wait, we can’t add anything more. so we include next vehicles on the lines ".

because once again,

germans get 2 variants of panzer IV, which are two medium tanks,

while the americans get 1 medium tank, and skip to a heavy tank.

for no reason what so ever.

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I can’t wait when Panther will be added, so I could spam “just flank it” and simmilar stuff under every post complaining about it. Maybe then deffenders of the jumbo will understand how dump it is (I don’t think they will).

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That is not the point … no one said it can’t be done. Problem is what you need to do to get it done. And don’t forget that PZ4 has 50 mm turret frontal armor. So with that magical indicator, you can penetrate the turret each and every time even from front.

Regular M4 is a perfect match for PZ4H … or even as OP is suggesting, M4A2 (76)… one has better gun, other has everything else better.

Everything would work better than Jumbo…

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Dunno. In my experience the only way Jumbo pilot was able to survive against me - keep destroying my gun so I can’t destroy him. Or flank me and destroy while I’m not aware of his presence until it’s too late.

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In that case the penetration mechanic is not working as intendent or it is buggy as hell.

You can use WT as reference as that game is here longer than the Enlisted and they did at least that part good in WT.

Any penetration or damage behavior not functioning as in WT is a bug for me.

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did you read what I said? I have ZERO need to discuss this with you, the Panzer IV vs Jumbo balance is so ridiculous that who ever is defending the Jumbo will seem to me like someone who had at least 5 strokes in his life.

I can not take you seriously what so ever.

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Okay. So both of you just want to nerf Jumbo without any real reason. I see it.
I’ll make few videos to see rest of ppl that Jumbo isn’t imbalanced in terms of tank fights. And much less ppl will fall for your whining.

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son, can you read?

are you able to do so?

i’ll make a few examples, and if you don’t understand even this one,

you are an hopeless case at this point.

it’s like, adding a tigers for the germans, against shermans.

how can you defend such unlogical and idiotic game development choice?

quite frankly, i would be the first one saying that tigers facing normal shermans it’s out of question, and therefore needs to be removed.

because the tigers, in this scenario, somewhat work similar to the present jumbo, if you want to kill it, you need to flank it.

but is it what we need?.

try to imagine your self on a fucking m5 or m8.

and try to even compete against a tiger.

that’s how it works for the jumbo.

is it that hard for your brain to understand the actual issues?.
and you’re not even actually giving fair points on WHY Should remain.

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My god, “NERF” and “without any real reason”

It needs to be replaced not “nerfed”! At least try to listen to what we are saying!

go eat some grass, brainless cattle

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i said IF You are going to be 100% accurate, IE make the game exactly like history then you’ll have historical problems and game inbalances like manpower issues for germany in normandy and berlin, tanks that can only be killed with 1 infantry weapon and planes in moscow, all newly acquired americans infantry would have the garand unless they are bombers or engies where they would start with carbine, so on and so forth. Look i want jumbo to be replaced with a 105 sherman but it isn’t going to happen because the Devs said they aren’t replacing it and there is the issue of what to do with people that got it

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exept no one is going for.

enlisted is not meant to be historical, and we all get that.

but to the very least, should follow gameplay and common sense " fairness ".

after all, they are the one that even proclaims to be a realistic title based on skills. not us.

and i don’t know about those people, but there are no skills over panthers or jumbos against lower tiers tanks.

this is not an actual issue, because they already managed to do that.

and it’s for logical reasons.

i don’t think people are going to cry over a replacement.

they could if woudl have been unlogical. but not this one in the first place.

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They can change their mind, right?

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let’s be honest here, yes there will be people that would but you also have to give the owners something also worthwhile so they don’t feel cheated out of it like how in war thunder they allowed owners of removed TT vehicles to still keep them.

they could but they have not shown signs of change and a random fact that i’ve learnt from experience is that the 3n can go throw the turret of the jumbo if you aim somewhere near the top of the turret