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Actually, looking at my poll thread, 60% of the 60 voters agreed it should be BR 3. You’re absolutely right.

At BR 2, both German and Japanese tanks already have penetration ratings of over 90mm. Fighting this turretless tank is practically the same as fighting the KV-2. Its armour is only 75mm thick and completely vertical. Even so, plenty of players claim to oppose adjusting the KV-2 down to BR 3, ignoring clear facts to argue against the change.

It’s true its 12.7mm heavy machine gun deals high damage, yet its magazine capacity and total ammo stock are far too limited. The German MG42 roof-mounted machine gun works for both anti-air and anti-infantry use. Its fire rate, heat tolerance and ammo capacity are nearly double those of this Soviet heavy machine gun.

What’s more, this is a Victory Day event vehicle. If a regular tech tree vehicle had this performance, a higher BR rating would be reasonable. But event vehicles deserve looser balancing standards.

Take the Spitfire IX for example. Its performance belongs to the jet era, yet it stays at BR 2. The XA38 carries six 500-pound bombs and is BR 5 in the tech tree, but remains at BR 3 as an event aircraft.

In contrast, the Il-8 has a smaller bomb load than the XA38 and is placed at BR 4. It even uses wooden structural components for extra vulnerability.

German balance complaints follow a different pattern: their vehicles start at a well-suited BR and get increased simply due to player backlash. Soviet vehicles, however, launch with inherently mismatched battle ratings from the start.

This round of balancing is especially unreasonable. What will happen when the SU-152 releases later? Both vehicles share the exact same main cannon. Pushing this one to BR 4 just for an extra machine gun is absurd. If that logic holds, every German and American vehicle equipped with heavy machine guns would need their BR raised as well.
Some fool argued with me just now, questioning why a 1943 vehicle should fight against 1942 ones. All I can say is that he is being utterly double-standard. After all, the Allied side already has 1945-produced aircraft fighting against 1941-era fighters.

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:rofl: What a time to be alive.

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I still think ISU-152 should be BR5. It’s clearly superior to Su-100 (current BR4 Soviet TD) in practically every way.

For BR4, they should have added SU-152 or ISU-122.

BR4 ISU-152 is a mistake and unnecessary powercreep.

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Alright mate, try to come up with some convincing arguments for us. The SU-100 features 75mm armour angled at 60 degrees, plus its reload speed is far faster than the 152’s.

What advantages does the ISU-152 even have? A reload speed even slower than the KV-2’s? Just a single DShK machine gun with a mere 250 rounds of ammunition, yet people hype it enough to push the vehicle to BR 5.

If that’s the case, then all the tanks of the US, Germany with twin machine guns, and Japanese vehicles with roof-mounted machine guns should all be bumped up to BR 5 from the start.

Roof-mounted machine guns are quite rare on Soviet tanks, putting the Soviet lineup at a huge disadvantage. It’s absurd that just one machine gun with only 250 rounds is deemed worth a full BR tier increase. American and German roof machine guns commonly come with hundreds of rounds of ammo—by that flawed logic, they should deserve two whole BR tier upgrades.

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It must be at least BR V xD

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No? Su100 has lower profile, about same armor, faster reload, better pen (152 is really random) and better mobility, it’s actually way better
BUT devs will do anything to not give me a 100mm, it’s either event or premium

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KV1 and KV2 need to be fixed - i can hit their ammo rack directly with my Panzer IV and it wont blow up.

Its not about their armor, instead its survivability is artificially increased by the devs.

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Its funny cause one person says lower profile is a clear upside and the next says it a clear downside…

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There’s huge difference about which specific variant of KV-2 are you talking about.

Free tech tree KV-2 (1939) has huge disadvantages in not having coax MG and working hatch, thus you are extremely vulnerable to infantry. And can easily be BR3.

On other hand, premium KV-2 (1940) is not having these issues. Thus it’s pretty decent in basically every situation. And you can quite easily play aggressively with it.

Both KV-2s can quite reliably take out King Tigers and any other tank, you just have to aim at turret near turret ring area. So the anti tank capabilities were never the issue.

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It’s too late to complain about this now. The KB2 has already been adjusted by DF and moved down to BR3. It couldn’t even sell well when it was placed at BR4 before. It’s clear that DF was getting anxious, and only lowered its battle rating while putting it on sale at the last minute.

Now it is firmly settled at BR3. No matter how much people complain or voice their dissatisfaction, even with public opinion polls, nothing can change the fact that it stays in BR3 without solid evidence and reasonable grounds. Meanwhile, the KV2 has also solidified its position at BR3.

Some players don’t want the Il-8 to be moved down to BR3, yet they also oppose the XA38 staying in BR3. This kind of behavior is just like someone who gets in first blocking the door behind them, occupying the spot to reap the benefits alone and keeping later vehicles out. It’s simply unfair, and that’s the plain truth.

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You ————Did anyone notice that small update before, only around 0.5GB in size? Ever since then, the ace reload speed for the KB2 is 19 seconds.

Losing that 77mm penetration semi-concrete shell actually left it with nothing but improved rounds across the board — this is honestly a massive buff.

The KV2 doesn’t even need to deal with Ferdinand or Tiger II anyway; those are BR5 vehicles. Under normal match-making rules, you’ll never run into them at BR3.

If someone genuinely thinks the KB2 has to be the one to counter Tiger II, that just shows how sad the state of Soviet tanks at BR4 and BR5 really is. They’re completely underperforming, to the point an old BR3 vehicle has to step up and do their job. That alone says a lot about the bigger balance issues here.

The ISU-152’s reload is another 4 seconds slower than the KV2, and it doesn’t even have a turret. Both of them rely almost entirely on HE rounds to take out enemy tanks.

I’ve been browsing the Russian forums, and nobody there brings up any real concrete examples — like actual match-up weaknesses or scenarios where one side simply can’t counter the other. All they ever say is “You’re crazy, that’s impossible, it can’t be done.”

It’s honestly frustrating. At this point I think we just have to let them taste the consequences first.

It’s like a kid who wants to try chili they’ve never had before. You can’t just say no straight away, otherwise they’ll keep insisting on trying it anyway. Then when they end up getting burned by how spicy it is, they’ll just blame everyone else afterward.

The better way is to let them try it themselves. Once they’re burning and regretting it, that’s when you point it out to them. Let them learn the lesson the hard way.

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I’m waiting for an event where the Soviets were the aggressors against smaller nations.

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Are you talking about Poland or the Baltic States? I don’t recall such an event happening in World War II, and it’s not a glorious chapter at all.

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Just such an event is what is commonly seen as the beginning of WW2, the Invasion of Poland by Germany and the Soviet Union.

It’s too early for such an event, even if it was to happen which is unlikely anyways, since the invasion began in September not May.

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KV2 in BR3 matches is weaker than KV1 anyways. How is its one shot kill canon better than the one shot kill canon of KV1?

The whole reason for it being BR3 is so that Soviet BR3 players have a reliable tank that can take out German BR4 tanks.

My Panzer IV J struggles to take out KV1 just as bad as a KV2 - with the difference that I can shoot that KV2 like 3 times before it can return fire.

If anything KV2 is great, because it gives reason for Soviets to use anything else besides KV1 in BR3.

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I would argue that if the soviets were is such dire need to be able to kill panthers befor they would have used the T-34-57 but they did not.

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Because BR3 almost never faces BR4 to begin with.

MM is biased.

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It has become more common lately, I have to say, that I face BR IV as BR III.

Granted, I avoid BR IV like the plague, so I can’t say how often they’re downtiered in turn.

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493

So you are saying that the KV 2 wasnt even needed?

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Thanks for the basic decals, finally

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However, people will apply them in the weirdest ways possible, we already know this.

Such iconic and basic emblems should ONLY come as the “Malutka” camo – without the ability to change their location or size:

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Also, Sound mods when?