Rebalance of Soviets (US) and Germans

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Just writing this because Im getting really annoyed by this fact.

I played for some time and now I can definitely say it, this game is starting to be like H&G, by the thing of players, there are already players who are able to destroy you and you whole squad in no time, especially on German side, this woundnt be that bad, players are just getting better on both sides, rigth?

But they arent, many skilled players play only as Germans, or at least mostly as Germans and those who dont want will change their mind or stay with Soviets or US, but that is only 5-10% of people. You might be asking why? There is easy answer, they have much better gear than soviets and sometimes even better than US.

If someone wants to argue that it was like this, yes you are right, but Soviets had numbers, both sides have same numbers but one have much better gear. (And US had really good weapons and tanks too, not like hare)

Im not trying to make someone angry, I just found it really disturbing when I lost 6 battles in row. ( For trolls: I was almost every time in top 5 players, or close to it, so dont write things like: ,You just bad LMAO" )

Just please inform someone so they can rebalance it, it makes me harder and harder to play this awesome game because other side gets better and better every day. And if it stays like this it will be really like H&G. Most players play as Germany and have much better gear than others.

NOW:

       GERMANS > US, Soviets
                (FUN > ANNOYING)

IN FUTURE:

       GERMANS = US, Soviets
                 (FUN = ANNOYING)
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I had the same situation last friday.
Except that I was playing as Germany…
…in Normandy.

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I guess it depends on Luck, but still I found it much more on German side than any other.

But Noted

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Side usually wins that has more P2W players because nonexistent Matchmaking altought it might also ruin game for side which has most snipers!

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i heard this one a lot.

unfortunally, i cannot define how much is truee, or how much can be this factor defined.

i’m not going to lie that in this case, i might be part of the problem, as since the start of OBT i started to play germany.

but, during the alpha of this game, germany was better, and the soviets always suffered. at a point where developers decided to nerf german guns ( for moscow ) of 25% ( and still now days are still nerfed ) in order to make soviet side gain more players.

end of the story, it reached this result either way:

which as you can see, germany still won desptie the nerfs.

mainly because at that time, we didn’t had too many testers. and the majority were there waiting for berlin and normandy. joining the german side.

a few months ago, we had the first normandy test, and for experience as i played both teams, it was a 50/50 win rates from both factions.

and now in the current state, berlin campaign is just like the moscow at first glance. germans > soviets.

as a enlisted tester for almost 1 year, i see that germans players were and somewhat, still more skilled players playing mainly about objective.

but after the recent open beta, i see that itìs somewhat still a 50/50. but, i do agree that it’s just a matter of time before people will get angry over normandy as i can fill all my squads with fgs. that are somewhat powerfull than 60% of the weaponary ( which it’s quite alot ).

so, i’m not entirely sure this is the case about germans always winning and soviet loosing ( despite berlin ).

and i’m not sure which rebalance should be applied.

because you can’t really change players mentality.

like, i see many people complaining about loosing when you see them doing around 70<100+ kills but capture points it’s barely up to 1.

like, if they don’t play objective, there is nothing much that you can do.

personally, when i was back in the alpha, this game had it’s own issues and problems. but despite loosing, playing for fun this game was all about for me and many others.

currently, i’m playing with a bounch of friends and coordinations sometimes it’s definining an heavy victory, and an hard defeat.

it’s not always black and white.

but i do get where those complains comes from.

anyway, cheers.

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I have lost multiple matches in a row as the Germans. It means nothing.

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How exactly are german weapons superior right now? Right now, every faction has it’s ups and downs.

Americans have the far better tanks right now, with actual choice, while germans got fifty shades of Pz IV.

At least early on the russian SMGs are far better. The MP28 with its 20 round mag is shit.

The best SMG of the germans right now is, imo, the FNAB 43. Which is italian and afaik will be patched out once tunesia is released.

Sure, the germans always get good MGs, but the PIAT seems to be far more destructive than the Sturm-nerfgun. The Ju-188 is a really mean bomber, but has no pilot controlled weapons (and right now useless gunners), unlike the A-20.

I definitely lost more rounds tonight, than I’ve won. Maybe ~40% win rate as the germans.

*Plus: I don’t now where the myth of “bad russian weapons” comes from. Cheap? Yes. Flawed production chains? Yes. Effective non the less. If you get hit with 15 7,62x25mm rounds in one second, your complain won’t be that the PPSh has a really bad finishing on the buttstock or was still produced with bending instead of stamping.

Germans often had revolutionary, highly complex weapons - but more than often those where plagued by technical issues and long production times. Technical problems and bad design choices did cost the Wehrmacht more Tiger tanks than any soviet gun.

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Playing for multiple months in moscow campaign now.

Soviets are supposed to have a different tank/plane game but a better rifle/SMG game (Winchester/SVT sniper and PPD make the german equivalents look super barebones), while German MGs are obviously better (haven’t tested the new DP-27 yet tho.

Their tank and planegame with the BT-7 and IL-2 is way more quick and allrounder in their approach while german tanks quickly go into the “clunky/sluggish/slow” and the planes into the “either ground support, or can take down enemy planes” roles.

Especially early into the game, which we still kind of are, I observed quite the oposite of your observation.
The first Pz2 and Pz3 are just a joke compared to the T60, same as the MP28/38 compared to the PPD.

Ofc it changes later on, but I don’t think it’s that obvious to say that germans are just flat out better.

That the game has RPG mechanics with increasing threat potential of enemies over time due to them unlocking gear was quite obvious from the get go and is a similarity to H&G here.
The difference beeing tho, that you don’t have to upgrade or pay your way up the rifle upgrade tree to unlock barebones firefight dmg layouts such as “rifles onehit, MPs don’t” and that’s why I’m glad that they reworked the HP perks of the premium squads so drastically.

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I dont think it is about P2W, those bonuses arent that big, more about that Soviets have weapons whitch dont have only slightly more ammo but are kicking as hell.

Especially with Machinegewer 40, this weapon is unlocked on 5 level, it is really strong. Soviets get double barrel shotgun on this level, whitch I never saw someone using it.

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Yes, they both have strong sides, Im just looking on fact that Germans have much more of those strong sides. If you want argue with weapons, sure.

On start they are really balanced and alright, bad things became when player unlocks MG40, this bloody weapon is able to destroy everything in its path, most of those players know it so they arent even feared of going in full house and leaving it as winner.

And yes you are arquing with good point, that Germans had really good weapons and Im not going to argue with you. But how I wrote, Soviets had numbers. In this game both sides have same numbers and it makes this historic advantege useless.

And of cours that some weapons are better, not sure that MP28 is worse but ok. My point is that German weapons have much bigger potentical to be used in good way than those soviets.

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With those tanks and planes Im not sure if you are right, I always saw German tanks and even planes destroing soviets vehicles, when they had same conditions. (And same rank) So not so sure about this.

With those weapons you might be right, but not that much. Soviet weapons have much bigger recoil than those Germans (whitch is right in history) . But those maps are made in way that you cant just run and shoot. This works only in houses (where is again winning MP40).

And sure it has RPG mechanics, but it shoudn be that annoyng so every new players wants to change nation.

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If you played in Normadi it is possible, US and Germans have good balanced weapons, but I doubt it was in Moskow.

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Im just sending my thought, because if they wont rebalance it in some way, they gonna start loosing players.

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Germans are severly lacking on Anti-Tank front Sturmpistole is literately junk in game as it was in real life!

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Sure, but they still have advantage in many other weapons, which would be ok if they gave Soviets more man power and slightly decreased German numbers.

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Moscow, Normandy, and Berlin. The main problem - in my experience - with many Soviet teams is that they’re depressingly retarded, and must be heavily carried by one or two players, who then have to be everywhere at once. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with the equipment, the players are just as dumb as a box of rocks, seemingly unable to perform even as simple task such as getting on a cap zone! :unamused:

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Are you sure you arent talking about german teams because they act like that!

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It’s more common on the Soviet side, from what I’ve seen. That being said, I’ve yet to see the Germans win in the Berlin campaign, which I suppose is historically accurate if nothing else.

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They will lose players either way.

You cannot force players to not play Germany. You cannot make German guns plainly inferior on paper as then people will mad and you will lose even more players.

  • German SMGs have objectively lower DPS compared to Soviet.
  • German Bolt Actions objectively deal less damage than Soviet Bolt Actions. They do have higher rate of fire, but that doesn’t matter if you cannot oneshot vitality perk users.
  • German LMGs are about balanced against Soviets.
  • German pistols are better than Soviet pistols but pistols aren’t very good.
  • German F2P tanks are worse than Soviet F2P tanks, though the paid tanks favor Germany.

I don’t see these many advantages. You cannot blame the game if one side is more popular and has higher skilled players on average. Teach other players that main your nation how to get better instead.

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Well I can I guess, but most of these things they have to start understanding on their own.