Real flyers only please

Two questions, does dropping your bombs help in a dogfight, I mean are you more maneuverable?

Moscow Axis Biplane better than bf109?

Honestly I would like to know that too as I am not sure, I don’t even know if it works for War Thunder and it should be similar / same here in Enlisted.

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Dropping bombs makes you more maneuverable, I dunno about rockets though.

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Explains a LOT… I unlocked the FW in Berlin, with it’s lot of bombs…
I lined my target and… plane keeps steering to the left. Ended up bad…

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for the first, you might as well think of the bombs as weights until they are dropped. in general, less weight means better fuel economy, better acceleration, and possibly higher top speed. in a dogfight, less weight means more maneuverability (for the same reason as a person is more agile in normal clothing than they are in armor holding a mg, ammo, grenades, etc). prolly more benefits as well, but no more came to mind. as for the second question, prolly bf109

To the first question: Yes, very much so
Second question: 109 is much better for engaging aircraft, Hs123 is good for light close air support

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That’s just its dogshit flight model lmoa

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The reason Fw steering left is because of its high torque from engine engaged with light fuselage. In other words, the turning momentum of propeller makes aeroplane go left.

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So can anyone show me proof of better performance with or without bombs? I know in theory this should be the case, but not sure if EL has modelled that.

Same as War thunder, rocket and bombs are extra weight. Plus, they produce parasite drag, which is also a factor of decreasing aeroplane performance. Dropping them will make aeroplane more maneuverable.

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Just go to practice, and do a loop until with the bombs attached and time it, then drop the bombs and do it again. Its been a while since I did it, but I know I got conclusive results for planes with bombs, and inconclusive results with rockets the last time I did it.

Try it yourself
Ditching bombs mid turn gives you a nice boost in turn speed
Same if you’re climbing and ditch them

I don’t think you’ll get better answers than the ones you have thus far.

I like to fly a lot as well, and I can certainly attest to the lighter ā€œfeel of the planeā€ with and without ordnance. Most noticeable in the turns.

The other more palpable input into your airframe handling are the mods. I can certainly attest to the performance improvements when you upgrade your plane. Those are very tangible, to the point where they can partially offset the parasitic drag induced by the ordnance you carry. In other words you can risk some level of dogfighting with a fully upgraded plane, rather than having to drop your ordnance on contact to try to win the positional battle.

One thing I have noticed though is an inconsistency in speed, the TAS indicator is somewhat confusing - not sure whether its in mph or something default but it’s not matching the indicative speeds of the aircraft as listed in the hangar. To that end some aircraft seem to exceed their historical speeds (assuming the flight models are generic enough) whilst others can’t seem attain the speeds listed in their vehicle performance card. I think the associated flight models are still WIP, as some aircraft seem to lose energy quite quickly, whilst others tend to retain is in a very ahistorical fashion.

On a last note, I’ve noticed much work has been done to the damage models, which is absolutely brilliant because you can now significantly damage aircraft on boom and zoom passes to the point where you might only need 1-2 passes to shoot one down now. It does matter where you aim, and so if you want to ensure effective kills, aiming at the engines still yields the best results for me. In many cases if you’re on target with a burst mass to the engine you’ll be rewarded with an engine fire, so that will mean at least two passes vs any twin engine aircraft.

BF is much better since you have 20mm and more armor. How ever an biplane can easily outmaneuver an fighter but not outrun it so even if youre in an Fighter you can get yourself in trouble when an biplane shows up or contrary an biplane can get them self in trouble fast if an fighter gets an salvo in from behind trying to get away

Yes - as othes have noted

What do you mean by better?

It is considerably more manouverable if you can use that, but it is a lot slower, has essentially no armor and less firepower.

Given even pilots it is the 109 that gets to choose when to fight, which gives it the advantage one-on-one.

The game does left turning tendencies wrong where the aircraft rolls left

Just remember that the BF 109 F-2 is overall even worse. Its amazing flyer i give it that but the 15mm is an downgrade from the 20mm. I just now emptied 400 rounds of 15mm mixed with 7mm ammo up close behind in to an IL-2 and it barely went down. So with that said i had to go back and rearm and empty another clip from its behind.
Also if theres no planes up you have to end up doing strafe runs only which its ofc better at doing with all that firepower but its an risk since you need to conserve your ammo asw in case an plane shows up + you got no bombs. Idk who said that the 15mm just shredds the IL-2 but thats not true at all. I was hoping for it to be more effective but its an pure downgrade even if its a bless that you get more ammo compared to the puny 60 from the past

Thanks all, didn’t want to like all responses, when in Moscow will drop bombs now!

IL-2 and the Thunderbolt are just dodgy in game, they’re both bullet sponges beyond anything that can be reasonably expected from such air frames.
In both cases you need to focus on their wings or tail.
When you damage the tail sufficiently they can’t pull up out of a dive, or if you damage a wing sufficiently they won’t be able to stabilise for flight and as soon as they pick up ordnance it will drag them into the ground.
So when you’re on their tail and are close enough pump rounds into those vulnerable locations rather than just spraying at the centre of the seen mass.

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Well ive learned that their tail can be pumped with alot of led from the past even with 20mm, but yeah i aim for their wings asw since that tail seem to be made out of Titanium from another planet. Sometimes you get lucky and dont have to chug to much but its rare ^^ Oh so theres another spongecraft in game!? not looking forward to that engagement one bit