PPsh Silenced photo is real

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I was looking for a truth in that question and ask most autority and famous researcher of soviet firearms - Ruslan Chumak - is the PPsh silenced really existed and what about reality of this photo:

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And get the answer:

You can check his books here: https://www.chitai-gorod.ru/author/chumak-ruslan-461515

Chief curator of the armory funds of State Artillery museum Chumak says - they have this photo but in a better quality, so now we can ceratinly say - its photo from the arhives or museum. He also mentioned that, according to the documents, tests were carried out on PPSH with a special drum magazine for silent bullets - slightly longer ones. The photo is consistent on this issue.

An article in the Kalashnikov store states that the famous weapon designer Stechkin mentioned the ongoing tests of the PPSH with a silencer.

Thus, we have three fairly solid proofs about such tests:

A photo, the authenticity of which was confirmed by R. Chumak, a well-known researcher.

His words are that there are documents about the ongoing tests with the BRAMIT drum at PPsh.

3.And, thirdly, Stechkin, the designer of the APS pistol, according to an article in Kalashnikov mentioned the tests being conducted in early period of a Great Patriotc wat.

Three reliable reputable sources.

Now letā€™s turn on the logic - if we already have the BRAMIT PPD in the game, the ppd was a rare weapon that was practically impossible to produce in the second half of the war, and a silencer was installed on it in our game. So what about the PPSH, perhaps the most massive submachine gun in the history of weapons?

Of course, everything was installed on it and tested in a variety of conditions. Please do not spread lies and unverified information. Rely on reputable opinions and reliable photos.

I waiting for ppsh s as an even weapon as well as upcoming mkb

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As good finding the truth is, I think what Enlisted needs is not more prototype weapons, but rather quality of life improvements like customization and in-game mechanics. Great post though!

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Three statements you provided no sources for, this isnā€™t academic, itā€™s hearsay.

At best you have hinted that the gun at some point existed (and possibly still exists), but you have yet to do anything to prove that this specific gun existed during WW2, which is still the very issue being contested here.

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Better, thanks.
But are the books important for the silenced PPSh?

Well, it would be nice to see the documents I guess.
Regarding the picture, I do not say they dont have it, but it still wonders me how it came to the internert if they didnā€™t release or why they didnā€™t complain to the magazine that they basically claimed their own picture without consent.
Speaking of the magazine, it is really weird that if the Museum has the knowledge (which I dont say they dont have), they never bothered to interview them or at least refer to them. I mean, if randoms here can apparently show the museum has intel, Russian journalists specialising in weapons should know it better.
At least it raises more questions about the AK magazine.

90.000 isnā€™t exactly rare, albeit granted in the context of the Red Army, it can look small. Also, they were far more common guns in the early 1940s as the PPSh didnā€™t hit a million numbers until 1942.

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Clearly not the case, all he said that they have it and said nothing where its from which makes everything very problematic since thats the only evidence for this weapon.
As Kalashnikov magazine stated: its most likely that the documents are not about ppsh bramit but actually for PPD bramit testing and everything else is just human error.

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Generally, sure make it a BP, Premium or Event Gun (BP would be better since current BP guns suck ass), but I still see no reason, both historically or balance-wise, why this gun needs to be TT. It is fine as a special gun, as BP guns are usually prototypes or historically flimsy guns anyway.

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Well I donā€™t know is the photo real but no one in this forum is asking the most important question will PPD silencer work on PPSh.

Its possible some ā€˜ā€˜smartā€™ā€™ guy in the Soviet Union decided to put PPD silencer on PPSh I wounder what would have happenedā€¦ The Silenced PPSh is as realistic functional weapon with PPD silencer as L41 or L26 Silencer and they all have one thing in common they didnā€™t work and if they had some functionality was very limited. Germany did not produced a working silencer for automatic weapon during world war 2 and thatā€™s a fact the L23 and L27 where failed experiments in difference of the British. The only working SMG silencers of the war where produced by UK and US. Only the western allies had working silencers during the war on SMGs everything else is not ā€˜ā€˜historicā€™ā€™ no matter how you put it.

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Well, since we do not have the documents in question, it is probably a case of Schrƶdingerā€™s cat.

Didnā€™t the silenced ERMA work (at least to justify limited deployment) to some extent, and was it deployed?
https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/30029289#:~:text=The%20EMP%20machine%20pistol%20was,during%20the%20occupation%20of%20France.
Like, I think the Soviets even tested it against the PPD.

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Well even if it existed the PPD silencer was not exactly a success and when you put it on PPSh will work even less since the weapon have even higher rate of fire and the silencer is not big enough for the technology of the era to functually silence the bullets to a significant extend just like the German silencers they are too small to be functional on automatic weapon.

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The ERMA is maybe the only exception this one was much much better then the MP 40 or STG.

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Regarding the realism of other weapons in this game, I donā€™t see why it canā€™t be added as a reward for an event-elemental squad or in some other way. In my opinion, adding ppsh silenced as well as 15 rounds MKB(Actualy 10 rounds but you keep silent) weapons is the most rational solution.

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No we aint. All of us is actually in private forums discussing how we could get a 60 round drum to BR3 mkb and perhaps flamethrower.
And maybe grenadelauncher? That might be just little bit too extreme so we push on 60 round drum, acog sights with lasers & flamethrower.

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This isnā€™t just a silencer. The weapon itself has undergone design changes and now fires a different, longer cartridge. Note the longer magazine and magazine shaft well.

I donā€™t deny the possibility of a PPSh with BraMit, itā€™s entirely feasible, but I havenā€™t seen any convincing evidence that it actually exists.

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But even if it existed on the picture you can see it uses PPD silencer this is pointless if they wanna use it they need to use smaller mag and reduce the rate of fire its such a pointless change that you better use PPD. PPSh wont be functional with the same silencer even if they modify it. The part with the barrel change is believable but when you think on the functionality of the gun they would not used the drum mag at all since you cant fire even one magazine with this silencer being effective.

This forum is full of pointless ā€˜ā€˜historicā€™ā€™ arguments same as the exact rate of fire of type 99 and Johnsonā€¦ people really dont understand that first you must think about the functionality of the weapon. Even if something on paper is possible in real life is a different story.

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"It used special subsonic ammunition that used heavier rifle bullets.

This caused the cartridges to have a longer overall-length, so the magazinewell and magazines had to be extended.

A spacer disc could be inserted in the magazine to allow it to use regular ammunition.

The suppressor is a rubber-wipe design with an overpressure valve running below the barrel from the main expansion chamber. The wipes were good for 70 rounds (so had be to replaced after each magazine. The wipes could be removed by unscrewing the end cap and firing a full power cartridge to blow all the wipes out the front)

Although the tests were successful, it was considered that too many modifications would have to be made to the weapon.

Instead focus was put on making suppressors for the Mosin Nagant rifle and DP machine gun."

^ Random reddit post regarding the thing, quite hard if not possible to find any reliable source of it.

Anyway, slap the same 50e pricetag as stg, make it a premium and call it a day.

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However, I read that this silencer did a very poor job and the weapon remained quite loud.

The StG with a silencer is a very curious case. Using a silencer requires a different cartridge. Consider the cartridges fired by the PPD BraMit and the 9x39 cartridge fired by the Vintorez. They differ from the TT and Kalashnikov cartridges in that they have a heavier bullet, giving them subsonic speeds. However, when developing the StG with a silencer, the Germans didnā€™t have time to develop a completely new cartridge and redesign the StG for it. So they simply used the 7.92 Kurtz with a smaller propellant powder charge. But the power of this cartridge wasnā€™t enough to operate the automatic mechanism, so the bolt had to be manually pulled after each shot. The Americans had a project for a silent carbine, the M1, with the same problems.

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Well it was it did very poor job Otto Skorzeny didnt use them for a reason. He used allies guess whyā€¦ look the design on allies silencer and the MP 40 and you will know why. Germany no doubt had a lot of rubber and oil during the war just like now.

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Come to think of it, this gun is better than the De-Lizzle. Cus it uses a Kurtz cartridge and holds 30 rounds.